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#51798 - 07/30/04 07:32 PM Lock pit player needs help badly
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in my pit theres no rank leader so the returning members(me and kathy)kinda took control. theres this one girl(she was in pit last year also) and she cant really read music and hit the right notes. me and the whole drumline spent last year trying to teach her to read and play well but it aint working. we put her on auxillery but she cant play that either.what would you do?

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#51799 - 07/30/04 08:18 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: txpitchick]
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My question is and maybe everyone elses...how did she even get in the pit section?
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#51800 - 07/30/04 08:30 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Decoy]
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leave her on auxillary and stick her with ostinatos. There was one kid last year that really had no rhythm at all. He was only doing marching band because his bigger brother did it and his dad helped out alot a lot.
Well, the percussion staff came to a concensus that playing music isnt his forte and that he should find something else he can do, because this wasnt working. For the most part we stuck him on ostinatos and gave him open cymbal rolls. We once got a comment about his ostinato on the claves that needed to come out (he was playing very softly) but we told him to play extremely softly just so you couldn't hear how far off time he was.
So I'd have a heart to heart with her and ask her what's really up. If she's convinced that she's not that bad of a player, video tape her during a warmup and let her watch.
However, you must tell her that she really needs to work harder because you work together as a team, and a team is only as strong as it's weakest link.
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#51801 - 07/30/04 09:45 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Decoy]
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thats my question too

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#51802 - 07/30/04 11:02 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: txpitchick]
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In my drumline anyone that wants to play is in. Id say just say in a nice way "hey i think your a lil off on that part here play it like this" if it doesnt work sit down and explain it in depth. Just keep workin on it. Its a team ya know you should all work on everyone being good. even if its not yourself.
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#51803 - 07/30/04 11:34 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: daveysnare]
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If she can't read music, she shouldn't even be in the pit... or any section of the band. Because obviously she doesn't know what she is doing and is trying to guess and play. (which is worst thing you can do, if you are a percussionist.)

Ask your band director, or percussion instructor for help.

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#51804 - 07/31/04 01:07 AM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Tenolo]
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If she can't read music, she shouldn't even be in the pit... or any section of the band. Because obviously she doesn't know what she is doing and is trying to guess and play. (which is worst thing you can do, if you are a percussionist.)






That is an awful thing to say. Why deny them the opportunity to learn just because nobody wants to take the time to teach them how to read music? You can't snub players who have no experience but are willing to learn. In the pit I'm instructing this year, 3 out of 5 of them can't read music and have never played mallets. I'm not counting on them to be clean by any means by the end of the season - as long as they become comfortable behind the boards, I'll be happy.
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#51805 - 07/31/04 03:06 AM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Divalish]
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That is an awful thing to say. Why deny them the opportunity to learn just because nobody wants to take the time to teach them how to read music? You can't snub players who have no experience but are willing to learn.




Sure you can. I've met a lot of people that just wanted to be in a drumline because they thought it was "cool". They even come in with the "i'm going to be on this/that instrument" attitude as if they belong on it. We later find out they can't read music. What are we going to do? Take a month out to help the person to understand music and then another 4 weeks to help them read music when marching season starts in 2 months? That's not even considered going from point A to point B. And then when we drop them to the pit section, they're even worse at that! If they wanted to be in the section so bad then they would have atleast searched some background information about percussion. But when you said "me and the *whole* drumline spent *last year* trying to teach her to read and play well but it aint working", it's obvious she doesn't care.

Music isn't for everybody to concentrate on. Who knows, she's probably better at science than everyone in their percussion section put together. For all you know, she could be the next president because she didn't know how to read music.
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#51806 - 08/01/04 01:05 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Decoy]
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That is an awful thing to say. Why deny them the opportunity to learn just because nobody wants to take the time to teach them how to read music? You can't snub players who have no experience but are willing to learn.




Sure you can.




No you can't. In education today you are not allowed to exclude anyone from trying something or being involved in an activity. Even if they are not physically able to to the activity, they have to be allowed to do what they can.

When I was in school, there was a student who suffered from ALS who loved the football team. Even though he was confined to a wheelchair and could only move his head and hands, he was allowed to be on the sideline with the team where he offered moral support to the team and talked (best as he could) with the coaches. He was always invited to team parties and award dinners and was, in effect, a member of the team.

If they are willing to learn, but not capable, they can still contribute to the group. What I did this past year with a similar student in my pit was that I limited her to auxillary instruments and reduced the amount of notes she was playing. Since she couldn't count well (quarter notes was the best she could do, and not always at the right time) I had her listen to the rest of the band and had her associate her part with what the music sounded like. While she never reached 100% accuracy, she did make a huge effort and was very proud of her accomplishment.

Did I have to spend a little more time working with her? Yes, but the results made the very trying effort (and it was really, really trying at times) very well worth it, not just because my group won the percussion caption at championships, but because my students were actually able to be proud of themselves for something.

Don't take that result lightly.
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#51807 - 08/01/04 01:45 PM Re: pit player needs help badly [Re: Middle Age Man]
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No you can't. In education today you are not allowed to exclude anyone from trying something or being involved in an activity.




So....trying out for a marching band/drumline and then getting cut later doesn't mean you were excluded? I know for a fact that if you want to be apart of a high school band, you HAVE to have met the required needs during your junior high school years. I've done a report on it, so I know.

Look. I can understand if someone is disable. But there's a diffence between joining to learn and joining for fun. It's like what I said before about someone wanting to join a drumline. Does the person want to join because he/she thinks they're cool? Or does he/she want to join it for a good learning experience? I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't waste 2 hours one someone who just likes the way a percussion instrument sounds and feels. If a person wants to learn with no experienced background, he/she would ask for help all the time. If they don't ask for help atleast once a week (or if you're the one making out their additional practicing schedual), then they probably don't really want to learn.
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