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#196693 - 11/06/09 03:24 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: pearldrumguy]
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Animal Mother I tune my Yamaha MTS to D on the Resonant head and F# on the Batter head. I use remo white max Batter heads and The Evans Hybrid(one that looks like a net) on the Resonant head side. and it sounds and feels great.

oh and does anybody know how to tune the snare wires on the top snares of an MTS? do I need to take the whole apparatus out or what?
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#198437 - 01/09/10 01:39 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: Robotman8591]
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I've got a question, would my snare have to be high tension to sound like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVv2vD5ixw0

They are using Mylar heads here and I love the sound. I don't have a free floating snare so I can't use KevlarŪ.

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#198441 - 01/09/10 03:16 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: BDfan]
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While Star wasn't using KevlarŪ on top in '92, they were using Premier Marathon Mylar heads and cranking them pretty darn tight. I think they may have been using a Falam (KevlarŪ) head on the bottom. You don't need a free-floater for that kind of tension, but you still need a pretty sturdy drum. 12 lugs and cast rims might be a good rule of thumb.

Or to be more specific, any of the following would work:
Dynasty DFBL/DFS(T)/DFX(T)
Ludwig Challenger
Ludwig Vector
Ludwig USA Free-Floater
Mapex Quantum AT/HT/XT
Pearl Championship (Pre-FFX)
Pearl Championship FFX
Premier HTS
Remo Legato
Yamaha Corps Custom MS-9014
Yamaha SFZ

These would probably work, but I wouldn't guarantee the lugs will last forever under tension:
Mapex Qualifier QLS-1412D
Slingerland TDR
Yamaha Field Corps MS-8014

Another Mylar line you might like is the 2002 Glassmen, who played Remo Powerstroke 77's on Pearl free-floaters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF6YB0EoY1w
They switched to KevlarŪ mid-season, possibly because they might've gone through heads faster than Remo was willing to supply them.

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#198703 - 01/23/10 07:15 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: SkyDog]
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Interesting thread. Looking back at the high school days it's painful to think of how many drums we caved in as a result of using KevlarŪ heads on clearly non-KevlarŪ capable equipment. I don't even want to think about how much our directors ended up spending on replacement lug casings. Sorry Mr Lozano!

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#199350 - 02/22/10 09:53 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: whysoserious]
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Would putting a KevlarŪ snare side head as a batter be a good idea?

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#199352 - 02/22/10 10:27 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: BDfan]
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Snare side heads, whether they're KevlarŪ or Mylar, won't stand up to the beating a batter head takes.

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#200188 - 04/05/10 01:26 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: SkyDog]
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I'm fairly certain a Yamaha field corps ms-8014 would stand up well to a Falam bottom head and cranked mylar top.

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#200192 - 04/05/10 02:56 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: ChrisS]
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I'm fairly certain a Yamaha field corps ms-8014 would stand up well to a Falam bottom head and cranked mylar top.


Not if you crank 'em. I've personally seen three different types of tension-induced failures on MS-8014's, two of which I've seen on top and bottom:

  • I've seen top and bottom rims crack and shear (sometimes violently) under tension from fiber heads. The bottom rim cracks particularly easy at the notch for the snare strands.
  • I've seen drums with warped shells, top and bottom. There's a good reason current model marching snares come with reinforcing rings for the bottom head.
  • The lug casings on the MS-8014 are pretty weak, especially the original version. Even with a Mylar head, you can see them flex if you look closely. There are only three screws that attach the lug casing to the shell and you can see the lug pull away from the shell between those screws. I don't know if I've ever seen a blown lug on an MS-8014 from bottom head stress, but I'd guess that's due mostly to the top of the lug failing first. (Mylar top and fiber bottom isn't a common combo.)


If you keep tensions within reason, though...

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#200206 - 04/06/10 06:36 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: SkyDog]
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How high would i have to tune to get this type of sound with a Black Max or Hybrid head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyqc1hASPKA&feature=related

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#200207 - 04/06/10 07:35 PM Re: SNARE TUNING thread [Re: BDfan]
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Higher than those heads are intended to go. The Cavaliers were probably using Falams or Tenduras in '91. (akeith5913 could probably confirm.) For that kind of sound nowadays, I'd probably go with an Evans MX White or maybe a Remo Cybermax.

...but I wouldn't suggest cranking a Corps Custom that tight unless you've got some money to spend on lug casings.


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