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#62175 - 12/06/04 08:10 PM
Re: Camber Cymbals
[Re: cym_city]
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Registered: 06/16/00
Loc: Southern MD
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if you can't afford a real pair of marching cymbals, i wouldnt settle for something way inferior. From what I've experienced and have heard, camber cymbals are light and do take damage easily. If you really want to practice on your own, either borrow a set from a program you were part of (most programs are more than willing to help out alumni reach higher goals in marching elsewhere) or just practice the motions you will be instructed with your hands and use freeweights to train your endurance. As far as weights go...about a single 3-5 pound freeweight for each hand will work if you want to work out endurance by holding them up in vertical playing position for as long as you can.
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#62176 - 12/07/04 12:14 PM
Re: Camber Cymbals
[Re: kevin_fu]
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Registered: 12/07/04
Loc: Louisville, Ky
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There is no way you will get the feel of a pair of cymbals from free weights. The biggest difference is that the weight of the cymbal mostly comes from the edges. The weight of free weights is basically the opposite.
Also the reason for holding up cymbals doesnt just include building strenght and endurance, the most over looked and most important facet of this is for checking angles and using muscle memory to maintain the constant angles needed for serious cymbal playing. There is no way you can re produce the benefits of holding up cymbals with free weights. And even free weights won't get you ready for cymbals, they will help but nothing will physically prepare yourself for holding plates up for hours at a time.
As for your cymbals, you have to remember there are no perfect cymabls. All have been made for specific purposes. Some are built for uses of implements (zings, taps, sizzle, zirbits...) Some are built for the true crash quality, quick decay (bright) and sustained decay (dark, heavy). The only style of plates that seem to work the best is plates with the traditional finish, brilliant finish has the coating that fills in the grooves and produces less sound and cymbalistic qualities.
Whatever is available, is what you should look for. I wouldnt recommend breaking the bank for something you dont know if you will like. Beggers can't be choosie, Take what you can get
Edited by Cymbalistic (12/07/04 12:45 PM)
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#62179 - 12/07/04 02:23 PM
Re: Camber Cymbals
[Re: Cymbalistic]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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There is no way you will get the feel of a pair of cymbals from free weights. The biggest difference is that the weight of the cymbal mostly comes from the edges. The weight of free weights is basically the opposite.
Also the reason for holding up cymbals doesnt just include building strenght and endurance, the most over looked and most important facet of this is for checking angles and using muscle memory to maintain the constant angles needed for serious cymbal playing. There is no way you can re produce the benefits of holding up cymbals with free weights. And even free weights won't get you ready for cymbals, they will help but nothing will physically prepare yourself for holding plates up for hours at a time.
As for your cymbals, you have to remember there are no perfect cymabls. All have been made for specific purposes. Some are built for uses of implements (zings, taps, sizzle, zirbits...) Some are built for the true crash quality, quick decay (bright) and sustained decay (dark, heavy). The only style of plates that seem to work the best is plates with the traditional finish, brilliant finish has the coating that fills in the grooves and produces less sound and cymbalistic qualities.
Whatever is available, is what you should look for. I wouldnt recommend breaking the bank for something you dont know if you will like. Beggers can't be choosie, Take what you can get
Read Kevin's post again -- he only said that cymbals would help you train for the endurance of holding cymbals up. I'd say that if you asked Kevin (or Woody, his tech) that he'd agree with everything you said.
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Kevin Fu
Anyone can make there references look big if that put all the usless crap on there. All in all you have no expirences in cymbal lines, therefore everyone needs not to listen to him...
Uh, no experience except making one of the best cymbal lines in WGI.
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Edited by project_bp (12/07/04 02:23 PM)
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#62181 - 12/07/04 07:35 PM
Re: Camber Cymbals
[Re: kevin_fu]
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Registered: 12/07/04
Loc: Louisville, Ky
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if you can't afford a real pair of marching cymbals, i wouldnt settle for something way inferior.
Before, and now after....
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This tells me that he's a beginner no matter what so I wouldnt suggest purchasing a pair of plates without any prior instruction. The freeweight suggestion was simply a suggestion to condition yourself as far as your stamina is concerned.
And as for the conditioning for cymbals, it is true that a proper regiment will aid in the preperation for the endurance that is required for marching hand cymbals. Although, anyone who has marched in a plate line before will tell you the only way to fully succeed in intial period of cymbals is to trick your mind into not focusing on the pain of holding them up. The brain is the strongest muscle in the enitre human body. A very good exercise for the mind is to pick up the book "The Inner Game of Tennis" by W. Timothy Gallwey. It basically states that in any physical activity there are two games played, the physical and mental...And to truely succeed in your activity you must beat yourself in the mind before you can even begin to focus on the physical portion of the activity. What I am saying is that whenever you are holding up your cymbals, your mind is subconsciencly telling your arms to resist the strain. Thrus making the weight seem unbearable, even though it is truely not. What I seem to do is sing the most annoying song in my head, or think about a past sexual encounter.
Now personally I would like to congratulate you on making your respective line. I understand that no matter where someone marches, they are doing excactly what I am doing...different line/corp, same instrument.
But on the same hand how can you make a judgment on one of the best line in WGI??? What is the basis on statement??? How can anyone say one technique is better than another? I have learned 3 techniques over the course of my entire marching career, and I have drawn good and bad from all of them...but none is considered the best one. My biggest Pet Peeve is when people hype thier own lines, and yes we all have been quilty of it. I have done it, but in retrospect it was a very bad decision on my part. If you honestly believe your line is the best then fantastic, just please keep it to yourself...
If you disagree with anything I said, feel free to instant message me at MCMcymbalist.
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