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#59589 - 11/04/04 06:17 PM Lock Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no ***** [Re: Cadet]
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Before you go making claims, know that I got a 5 on the Physics AP test. Now, the speed of sound is about 340 m/s(that's meters per second). Now, the split between the back marchers and the front marchers, will very rarely be more than 50 feet(half a football field). 50 feet is 15.24 meters. Now, if everyone followed the drum major exactly, that would mean there would be a .045 second difference. At 138 beats per second, that would be a 0.1 difference per beat. Now this is assuming that everyone plays exactly as they see the drum major, in a very stretched out picture. But, people adjust to what they hear from the back. (No, they do not solely listen to the back.) So even in this extreme scenario, the difference isn't that great. AND, the judges are raised considerably off ground level, so the difference would be even less!
For those of you still in doubt, though I can't prove this, I strongly believe it would be stupid to leave the tempo to the battery. The battery is rarely skilled enough to keep the tempo constant, and start off at a tempo proper for the horns.
For you idiots out there, NO, I am not saying only pay attention only to the drum major, but I am saying that the drum major should be the first point of reference.
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Sorry, you're wrong.

Try it sometime. Have a drummer in the front of the field and a drummer in the back of the field (your two strongest drummers). Have them each play quarter notes, preferably with ear plugs in. They need to watch the drum major precisely and play exactly with him/her. You'll be amazed by the difference in sound.

If your battery isn't any good, that's a problem with your school. Most batteries are able to maintain a tempo and control the band.

If you want to compare credentials, starting with your 5 on the AP physics test, I'm more than happy to bring out my list.

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Edited by project_bp (11/04/04 06:18 PM)
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#59590 - 11/04/04 08:21 PM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: r123moore]
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definitely the battery, at our school, one of our drum majors has a very hard time both keeping time steadily and following us. the band is also bad too because they have no rythm and can't keep from slowing down. our BD also sucks at keeping time when the band warms up, he slows down the first and last notes they play, which could be why the DM and band have trouble. when we arent playing I guess the next best thing would be the DM because he will usually just watch our feet.
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#59591 - 11/04/04 08:23 PM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: bpdrums]
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1) Actually, the judges in the stands would be the ones who notice the phasing problems because you really can't judge ensemble from field-level.

2) Oh, and yes, you'll get a difference in sound back to front if everyone goes with the drum major exactly. I learned that from experience. Check out Crossmen 2002's opener with the battery on the back hash while they're playing with the pit. The pit is definitely not watching the drum major.

3) A GOOD battery can keep excellent time. Not cool to generalize like that.

4) Haha...you really don't want bp to bring out his credentials...as for me, I never took AP Physics. So congratulations on that score. I'll settle for my engineering degrees.
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#59592 - 11/07/04 10:49 PM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: r123moore]
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Oy! I wish the battery were as respected at my school as it seems to be at everyone else's! But personally, I believe that the drum major should be watched, and paid attention to, at all times, unless there's a stunt or visual that requires you to take yoiur eyes off of him....
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#59593 - 11/08/04 05:26 AM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: bpdrums]
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Okay, one last post.
First of all, I want to have this post be as friendly as possible, so I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything. Okay. I see that who to listen to definintely depends on the skill of the battery. Ours isn't spectacular. I'm the drum major, I've always been taught that the conductor is always right, which I still belive, but I also respect your opinion. Who to listen to depends on the situation, no doubt, but my opinion is that the drum major should always be the first.
Also, don't start with credentials with me. I also got a perfect on the English AP, and the ASVAB, and the Math section on the PSAT. And I've gotten first in all our parades for mace, by score anyway, but some parades were mixed w/mace & baton, and the other I wasn't competing. So don't start with me!
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#59594 - 11/08/04 09:11 AM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: Cadet]
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Okay, one last post.
First of all, I want to have this post be as friendly as possible, so I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything. Okay. I see that who to listen to definintely depends on the skill of the battery. Ours isn't spectacular. I'm the drum major, I've always been taught that the conductor is always right, which I still belive, but I also respect your opinion. Who to listen to depends on the situation, no doubt, but my opinion is that the drum major should always be the first.
Also, don't start with credentials with me. I also got a perfect on the English AP, and the ASVAB, and the Math section on the PSAT. And I've gotten first in all our parades for mace, by score anyway, but some parades were mixed w/mace & baton, and the other I wasn't competing. So don't start with me!
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Ahh... you're the drum major. That explains a lot.

PSATs, eh? Well, you put me in my place :-P

Thanks,
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Edited by project_bp (11/08/04 10:20 AM)
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#59595 - 11/11/04 11:55 PM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: r123moore]
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we just got done with a competition and the judge said that we should "listen back" and he got mad and said "what are you doing watching the drum major?" our BD told us that the DM conducts to the band and we should listen to them. just a helpful hint from a judge.
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#59596 - 12/01/04 11:23 PM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: soq3]
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I think that thes are not great choices just because I feel ther is a heirarchy tha tshould be respected.... Band listens to battery battery listens to center ceter goes with conductoe or conductor goes with feet of center that all folks it works that s the way we do it and weve never had a break ever...
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#59597 - 01/03/05 12:19 AM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: MarioBros]
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In our show last year, it was practically useless to listen to our drummers because they were terrible as a line. The drum majors weren't that good as drum majors, seeing as our..uh..Drum Minor, I guess, wasn't good at following the Drum Major. The show was basically slapped together thanks to the trumpet section, in my opinion, because they had the best players, but they were incredibly loud. It was nuts, but we took 6th in our division at Greater St. Louis Marching Bands Festival(We usually get 8th or 10th).
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#59598 - 01/03/05 01:00 AM Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no [Re: Brad]
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We (my pit) weren't allowed to watch the drum majors, except for special instances. Like, we were specifically told that if we were caught watching the drum majors at any time except at the beginning of the song to get the beat, or if we were told to, then we would be pushing until our arms fell off. Good reason to not look. Our instructor had the mallets listen to the band, but that's because the mallets are always playing with the band. The Aux had to listen to the battery though, and I myself just found it easier to listen to the battery as well. I think that makes sense.. or at least I hope so.

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