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#59580 - 10/25/04 08:32 AM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 03/17/03
Loc: Burbank, CA
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Divalish said:
I'd rather be performing to the hot guy in the front row than staring at my drum major's crotch. But that's just me.
Sounds like your drum major's crotch isn't that much to look at. Maybe that's the problem...
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#59581 - 10/25/04 09:29 AM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: CrazyonMallets]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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Ok, well, Maybe some of you may not have gotten my point. But, Where I am, the judges WILL nail you for not looking at the Drum Major. I was just putting in my local input, I didnt know I would have people jump all over me for it. Different pits in different areas have different techniques and judging criteria.
so, physics works differently where you are? what circuit are you in? TOB, USSBA? if a judge in either of those circuits is telling you to watch the DM, you should have your instructor address that incorrect information in the critique.
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I think that judges would be able to tell if you're not playing in time with the drum major too, no matter how hard you try to fake it. They'll think you're crazy. They would also be able to hear the drumline and how your parts should line up cause well...hey...it's an ensemble, right?
I beg to differ. Mission Viejo's WGL in 1999 had a part in their music in which the pit played slower than the drumline, which WAS ment to be. Suprisingly, they earned their silver medals.
uh, non sequitur, anyone?
that was an effect, clearly not the norm.
b
Edited by project_bp (10/25/04 11:55 AM)
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#59582 - 10/25/04 11:49 AM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Decoy]
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Registered: 04/16/03
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I think that judges would be able to tell if you're not playing in time with the drum major too, no matter how hard you try to fake it. They'll think you're crazy. They would also be able to hear the drumline and how your parts should line up cause well...hey...it's an ensemble, right?
I beg to differ. Mission Viejo's WGL in 1999 had a part in their music in which the pit played slower than the drumline, which WAS ment to be. Suprisingly, they earned their silver medals.
Every rule has an exception. Thank you for finding it. I'm obviously not as well-versed in the percussion realm. However, I must ask...since you brought that case up and it's relevant to the topic, since the pit was at a different tempo than the battery, were they looking at a drum major for it? I'm going to guess no because using drum majors is not the norm for indoor (and yes, I know that MCM uses a conductor, as well as other groups).
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#59583 - 10/25/04 11:24 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Divalish]
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Registered: 08/28/04
Loc: Levittown, PA, 19057
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#59584 - 11/03/04 10:54 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: soq3]
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Registered: 11/03/04
Loc: CA
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Hear ye, hear ye,
You should pay attention to the drum major first, unless s/he is not conducting. It his his/her job to keep the pulse. The DM doesn't have to worry about playing an instrument, or marching to the right area. All they have to worry about is tempo, that's it. I hear a lot of "our drum major sucks!" That may be true, I don't know, but a lot of times, it will seem like the drum major is off, but s/he is on the beat. They hear what the audience hears.
THE BATTERY IS NOT THE TEMPO GOD!! You have a lot of complicated rhythms. NO, the battery's purpose is not for tempo, it is for the music.
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#59585 - 11/03/04 11:26 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Cadet]
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Registered: 01/21/02
Loc: London, UK
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Hear ye, hear ye,
You should pay attention to the drum major first, unless s/he is not conducting. It his his/her job to keep the pulse. The DM doesn't have to worry about playing an instrument, or marching to the right area. All they have to worry about is tempo, that's it. I hear a lot of "our drum major sucks!" That may be true, I don't know, but a lot of times, it will seem like the drum major is off, but s/he is on the beat. They hear what the audience hears.
THE BATTERY IS NOT THE TEMPO GOD!! You have a lot of complicated rhythms. NO, the battery's purpose is not for tempo, it is for the music.
sorry, I'd spend the time to explain the physics behind why you're wrong, namely how light and sound travel at vastly different speeds, but it's been covered before.
search first, you won't make a fool of yourself.
thanks.
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#59586 - 11/03/04 11:37 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Cadet]
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Registered: 04/16/03
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Wow. Okay, I believe it's already been explained MANY times that the pit can't play exactly with the drum major if the rest of the band behind them is playing due to PHYSICS (the disparity between the speed of light and the speed of sound). I also don't see your point about the drum major hearing what the audience hears. Even if they do, what does that have to do with anything? It's not like they can say..."oh, I'll just conduct a little faster with my right hand for the hornline, and a little slower with my left hand for the drumline. That should correct the phasing problem."
Also, if the DM, and just the DM, is responsible for keeping the pulse, why do some DMs get their tempo from the center snare's feet? I believe that the drum major's job is more to communicate the tempo to everyone on the field. And in my mind, the drumline acts like a metronome - something to listen to. Tempo god? Maybe. Drumline not having any say in tempo? Definitely not.
Edit: Sorry BP, looks like we posted at the same time about the same thing...
Edited by Divalish (11/03/04 11:39 PM)
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#59587 - 11/04/04 04:46 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: bpdrums]
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Registered: 11/03/04
Loc: CA
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Before you go making claims, know that I got a 5 on the Physics AP test. Now, the speed of sound is about 340 m/s(that's meters per second). Now, the split between the back marchers and the front marchers, will very rarely be more than 50 feet(half a football field). 50 feet is 15.24 meters. Now, if everyone followed the drum major exactly, that would mean there would be a .045 second difference. At 138 beats per second, that would be a 0.1 difference per beat. Now this is assuming that everyone plays exactly as they see the drum major, in a very stretched out picture. But, people adjust to what they hear from the back. (No, they do not solely listen to the back.) So even in this extreme scenario, the difference isn't that great. AND, the judges are raised considerably off ground level, so the difference would be even less!
For those of you still in doubt, though I can't prove this, I strongly believe it would be stupid to leave the tempo to the battery. The battery is rarely skilled enough to keep the tempo constant, and start off at a tempo proper for the horns.
For you idiots out there, NO, I am not saying only pay attention only to the drum major, but I am saying that the drum major should be the first point of reference.
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#59588 - 11/04/04 05:25 PM
Re: Watching the drum major, yes or no
[Re: Cadet]
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Registered: 06/26/01
Loc: Hewitt, NJ
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Cadet said:
For you idiots out there, NO, I am not saying only pay attention only to the drum major...
Funny, that looks exactly like what you are saying:
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Hear ye, hear ye,
You should pay attention to the drum major first, unless s/he is not conducting. It his his/her job to keep the pulse.
Congrats on your 5 on the AP test. Stephen Hawking should bow down to you now.
Oh, and thanks for calling everyone else idiots. Private Moderation soon to follow.
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