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#55596 - 09/11/04 03:36 PM Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	I was incredibly amazed by one part in the '95 show the cavaliers put on. If you can view this... Site no longer exists My question is... What kind of sticking is that where they do some kind of multiple-way sticking and make it sound like a roll? how do they do that rolling thing while twirling the stick! it goes too fast, so Im curious as to how it's done so i can try doing it too. _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55597 - 09/11/04 03:41 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer) [Re: BadDrummer]
iBuckeye Registered: 07/04/04 Loc: Columbus, Ohio	It's called the "claw." Do a search and you'll find stuff on it. _________________________ John Dixon TBDBITL I-Row TBDBITL First on the grass.
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#55598 - 09/11/04 03:54 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer) [Re: iBuckeye]
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	rofl, thanks man. i actually found an instruction written by Scott "Hulka" McCoy :P. thanks ramdrumr and Hulka. _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55599 - 09/11/04 04:12 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer) [Re: BadDrummer]
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	ok, this is weird. Where should my HAND be and where should be the STICK be before i perform this maneuver? I dont get the 3 'o clock part. I could use as many tips to doing this as possible.. i have someone to impress _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55600 - 09/11/04 07:10 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer) [Re: BadDrummer]
aznpride Registered: 03/04/04 Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma	Man for me.. I just grabbed the stick pretty close to me middle and acted like I was shaking out my hand. (Like when you write for a long time and your hand hurts) My best tip is to stay loose. _________________________ Check out some sweet videos! www.youtube.com/aznpride058
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#55601 - 09/13/04 10:14 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: aznpride]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Extend your arm straight out keeping your arm relaxed. Your hand should be around the 2 or 3 o'clock position to your drum, and as aznpride said, the stick is held in the middle (or pretty close to it depending on stick length/balance). Leading up to the claw in the '95 show we choked up on the right stick when we pushed to the edge and back to prep for the claw and played the part right before with our hands already in position. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55602 - 09/14/04 09:04 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
zalcala Registered: 08/10/04	thats a little harder to do that I thought. I'm getting it!!!!
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#55603 - 09/14/04 11:29 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: zalcala]
swisscheese Registered: 01/04/04 Loc: Arlington, Virginia	I definetely could not see the snareline doing that in the video you posted. Of course, I don't really know what the Claw looks like anyway.
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#55604 - 09/15/04 02:01 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Bernie_VKpit Registered: 03/12/04 Loc: Chicago, IL	Too bad you guys cant see the "instructional video" that Scott did on the casey claw in Indianapolis. He did it for Josh and I while Josh was recording it
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#55605 - 09/15/04 09:22 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Bernie_VKpit]
swisscheese Registered: 01/04/04 Loc: Arlington, Virginia	Upload it!
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#55606 - 09/15/04 12:27 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Bernie, I give permission to unleash the vid to the hounds, if you have the bandwidth. I know I was partly just hacking around but at least everyone will get a better look at the claw and Helicopter. If the vid was better I'd say submit it to DPLn but it doesn't really fall into the "I&E" category. Edit Quote: *swisscheese said:* I definetely could not see the snareline doing that in the video you posted. Of course, I don't really know what the Claw looks like anyway. The wrong link was posted, check out Site no longer exists. We're playing the claw when we're in the diamond formation. Interestingly, from the date on this video, we changed the drill to keep us in a line during the claw feature the next day (Monday before finals) to make the claw easier to see. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55607 - 09/15/04 11:24 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Bernie_VKpit Registered: 03/12/04 Loc: Chicago, IL	I already have it uploaded remember Hulka? I just need to think if I want to release the address to where its at! He he... I think I have 500mb or 1Gig of bandwidth a month? Josh can confirm this...
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#55608 - 09/20/04 10:19 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Bernie_VKpit]
EmpireTenor Registered: 06/27/03 Loc: London, ON	I'm sure there are plenty of "non-clawers" including myself who would love to see this instructional clip. I've seen the '95 field clip, but it happens so fast, by the time I know what's going on, it's over. I've also read the step by step guide, but for some reason my angle seems off, and the motion seems very choppy. Here's hoping someone can help! I've seen the Pat Fitzgibbon clips as well on dlpn.net, but they're too fast to get a good look at the technique. Edited by Nick (09/20/04 10:25 PM) _________________________ Kingston Grenadiers Snare Line 05 Kingston Grenadiers Tenor Line 06 Empire Statesmen Tenor Line 08
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#55609 - 09/22/04 10:42 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: EmpireTenor]
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	lol sorry about posing the wrong link. I'm trying to get a good feel and trying to stay loose, but you guys really managed to take it that fast... it was sick. How long did it take for the entire line to perfect it into that unified roll, Hulka? Btw, i can't wait to see the instructional video - i dont care if i dont learn anything from it, it'd just look damn cool. _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55610 - 09/23/04 12:02 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: BadDrummer]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Cleaning the claw really didn't take that long since three of us had learned the claw from Mark Casey back in '93 and played it at UK. The center 4 snares played the claw in the '94 show so it was just a matter of getting 5 other guys comfortable with the motion and matching their interp to ours for a smooth, open sound. I'd say the claw was probably consistently clean sometime in July. For those of you that haven't march drum corps, you can get good and play crazy stuff like that because you play all day, every day. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55611 - 09/24/04 01:20 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Bernie_VKpit Registered: 03/12/04 Loc: Chicago, IL	Ive seen ~~alot~~ a lot of you requesting to see the video, but dont think I have ignored the request! I havent been able to post anything on DLO for the past 4-5 days because of a computer glitch, so here you go. One thing though....Please dont go spreading this link around to everyone outside of DLO. I was really hesitant about posting the link for downloading, and the last thing I want is for my bandwidth to be killed! Enjoy! edit Some technical difficulties...it will be back up shortly Edited by Bernie_VKPit (09/24/04 01:54 PM)
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#55612 - 09/25/04 01:30 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Bernie_VKpit]
Bernie_VKpit Registered: 03/12/04 Loc: Chicago, IL	OK...here it is again! *Site no longer exists.
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#55613 - 09/25/04 11:00 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Bernie_VKpit]
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	ohhh man, that is soo sweet!!!! So, the stick is actually going COUNTER-CLOCKWISE? its like doing a back stick but you're doing it so fast, its going sideways? i dunno, its all crazy for me. my wrist would probably break before i can get it to that speed. _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55614 - 09/25/04 11:52 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: BadDrummer]
Thomasakadrummer Registered: 06/09/03 Loc: Greater Orlando	i love the shirt your wearing in the video Hulka...... Tom and Jerry rules. _________________________ 1st degree - 06 pit Infinity - 07 Auxiliary ORlando Culinary Academy student feb 08- may 09
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#55615 - 09/26/04 12:43 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Thomasakadrummer]
kevin_fu OMGWTFBBQ Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	for those wondering about the video... Hulka said a while back that he's meant to, but never got around to it and eventually became disinterested in filming it. Why? Because he believes that figuring out tricky things and little gimmicks by yourself is the way you should learn them...it makes the experiences that much more rewarding. When I heard that a group of the Mods here at DLO were going to the Indy regional, I knew I couldnt make it. I did however ask Josh to take a video of hulka explaining this nifty trick, and thankfully he did on any note, consider this a treat that Hulka gave permission to distribute this. oh yea...this also explains why Josh makes the smartass comment "ya got that kevin?" at the end. hahahaha. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#55616 - 09/26/04 02:39 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
BadDrummer Registered: 07/20/03	Kevin, you're right - it's best to learn many of these things by oneself, and it is a much more rewarding experience. But i dont care about learning it anymore at all! I just wanna see Hulka do crazy stuff!!! hahaha _________________________ Q: How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Just one, so long as a roadie gets the ladder, sets it up and puts the bulb in the socket for him
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#55617 - 09/26/04 03:18 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
kevin_fu OMGWTFBBQ Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	technically you're agreeing with Hulka, not myself, though I do share the same belief. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#55618 - 09/26/04 10:10 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
jmv Registered: 07/31/04 Loc: Texas!!	Once i saw it in person, it wasn't too hard to figure out, and then work up to speed... i dunno if i can still do it though, i haven't practiced it in forever. _________________________ 2005 Teal Sound Bass 3 2005 Texas State University Bass 1
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#55619 - 09/26/04 11:12 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: jmv]
Praetorian Registered: 09/17/02 Loc: Slidell, Louisiana	You've always been my favorite, Hulka. That was a great video. _________________________ I play drums.
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#55620 - 09/27/04 09:41 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Praetorian]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Thanks everyone for all the kind words. You make an almost 30-year old feel loved. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55621 - 09/27/04 12:10 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Praetorian Registered: 09/17/02 Loc: Slidell, Louisiana	Liar. You look to be early 20s. _________________________ I play drums.
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#55622 - 12/24/04 05:25 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Praetorian]
mip10110100 Registered: 05/18/04 Loc: Illinois	Thanks so much for that video. I've read tons of explinations but none of them have worked. Now I feel like I know what to do. _________________________ L.E.A.P. Pit 03-04 L.E.A.P. Bass 4 04-05
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#55623 - 01/22/05 12:41 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: mip10110100]
Praetorian Registered: 09/17/02 Loc: Slidell, Louisiana	Bernie...could you fix the video, please? It isn't working.....thanks! _________________________ I play drums.
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#55624 - 02/15/05 07:59 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
best_jay15 Registered: 02/14/05 Loc: New Orleans, LA	Hey my name is David Beasley and Im trying out for the Cavaliers in December and i wanted to know how to perform the "claw" to enhance my drumline visual sackbag and to add one more to mine If u can help m out with a link or something id appreciate it thanx
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#55625 - 02/16/05 10:34 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: best_jay15]
Wires Registered: 07/12/04 Loc: Jackson, Ohio	best_jay15, very off topic, but http://dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=d3567a51-25ac-43ea-9d6c-dd1de2ea66aa _________________________ '03-'04 - JHS Snare '04-'05 - JHS Snare '05-'06 - JHS Center Snare '06 - West Athens Cymbal Line
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#55626 - 02/20/05 11:36 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Wires]
L_Town_Drummer Registered: 09/11/04 Loc: Lebanon, Tennessee.	Hulka, during the opener of the 95 Cavies show, were the red snares the snare line used the same type as the black ones you guys picked up later on in the show?
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#55627 - 02/21/05 01:46 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: L_Town_Drummer]
Middle Age Man Reviews Administrator Registered: 06/26/01 Loc: Hewitt, NJ	If I'm not mistaken, the red drums were the 14" sFz and the grey ones were the 13" version which the corps was prototyping for Yamaha that year. The sizes might be the other way around. _________________________ The Cavaliers - Baritone 1993 Hawthorne Caballeros - Baritone 1988, Contra 1989-1995, Bass 6/5 1996-1998 Pequannock HS - Marching Instructor 1995 Saddle Brook HS - Percussion Instructor 1995 Lodi HS - Percussion Instructor 1996-2003
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#55628 - 02/22/05 03:18 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Middle Age Man]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	99% correct, MAM! The red "Mars" drums were the 14" SFZ's (recovered) we received in '94 but never used because we prototyped the 13" SFZ's that summer. The marble drums we switched to were the 13" production model of the SFZ. The Blue Devils did the opposite in their '95 show...they started the show with the 13" snares then switched to 14" snares. In addition to the different size and color, we also tuned the 14" snares much differently to achieve a distinct difference in sound. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55629 - 03/20/05 10:23 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
HCHSDrummer05 Registered: 07/26/04 Loc: Hattiesburg, MS (USM)	Interesting, personally, I can do the claw, but I'm still working on the hulka helicopter _________________________ Harrison Central High School '04/05: Plates/4th Bass \| '05/06: Snare \| '06/07: Snare (MCM and Synergy Auditionee, '07/08) Teaching: Instructor, Harrison Central 9th \| Marching Tech, HCHS
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#55630 - 03/27/05 05:18 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: HCHSDrummer05]
Bridgeman83 Registered: 06/21/04 Loc: Stark-Vegas, MS	the link isn't workin anymore, I'd still like to see it and get a better idea of it. _________________________ MèCo Hearn aka Biggs Mississippi State Drumline '07 Snareline "DW...Do work son!"
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#55631 - 03/28/05 04:37 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Bridgeman83]
THESnarechick Registered: 03/13/04	"99% correct, MAM! The red "Mars" drums were the 14" SFZ's (recovered) we received in '94 but never used because we prototyped the 13" SFZ's that summer. The marble drums we switched to were the 13" production model of the SFZ. The Blue Devils did the opposite in their '95 show...they started the show with the 13" snares then switched to 14" snares. In addition to the different size and color, we also tuned the 14" snares much differently to achieve a distinct difference in sound." Looking at four of the "Mars" drums as we speak, and tuning them as well. _________________________ Vic Firth Education Team- MPS Reese Winter Percussion Staff 04- Sound Indoor Percussion Staff 03 Spirit Performing Youth Ensemble 02 Lake Erie Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps 01 Morrice Winter Percussion 99-01
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#55632 - 03/28/05 04:40 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: THESnarechick]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	But the question is... are they still red? _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55633 - 03/28/05 10:16 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
bdsnare4 Registered: 01/31/04 Loc: Indy	I've played on one of the Mars drums, and it's still red. Not as good as the new stuff, as far as snares mechanism. _________________________ "No let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place." "I thought this was an argument." "No this is abuse." "Heather Locklear, sha, she'd give a dog a bone." Snare Winter 05 Snare Fall 04 Snare Winter 04 Bass Fall 03 Tenor Winter 03
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#55634 - 03/30/05 11:49 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: bdsnare4]
drummeralex Registered: 03/30/05	hey all, i just joined this thing and i was looking through..personally i can do the claw...at least i think i can cuz i think i know what you guyz are talking about but i've never seen the hulka helicopter and i'd like to but all the links on here are broke...cries on inside...so could someone please get me a link w/ the hulka helicopter. _________________________ '04-'05; BHS Center Snare(Sophmore)
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#55635 - 05/16/05 05:52 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: drummeralex]
THESnarechick Registered: 03/13/04	"But the question is... are they still red?" Under the contact paper, red at heart. We have some of the 96 drums as well- the sun had some fun with those drums... _________________________ Vic Firth Education Team- MPS Reese Winter Percussion Staff 04- Sound Indoor Percussion Staff 03 Spirit Performing Youth Ensemble 02 Lake Erie Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps 01 Morrice Winter Percussion 99-01
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#55636 - 07/07/05 04:31 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I played North Mesquite High School snare during the '96 -'97 season. Our drum teacher purchased the score to the Cavs 95 show and he taught us a way to think about the claw. First, working your right hand counter-clockwise, you slap the two ends of your stick at the top right area of the snare to produce a two quick slaps. You want the two strokes to hit tight so it is similar to a bounce. Double stroke, back end first, tip second. Second, you kind move the left hand back a little towards your belly so you don't hit the rim and don't tangle up the claw. In your right hand, you'll wanna hold it towards the middle to get an even double stroke out of the claw, but you need to be able to place an end stroke with the right hand. So don't go too far to the middle of the stick, or you won't be able to end it clean. Practice with just the claw on the drum and try to get a good double slaps out of each swipe at the drum. Soon, you'll be able to put that into a sweet claw roll.
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#55637 - 07/08/05 12:26 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Nice write-up, man! For those that didn't see this link in another thread, this is a working link to the video that was mentioned earlier in this thread. The claw "lesson" isn't really much of a lesson but you'll at least get to see it up close with some tips. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55638 - 07/08/05 12:50 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
madoldskool Registered: 07/26/04 Loc: Lafayette, La	yo hulk, what's the actual name for the one handed bass drum technique that was used in 92 and 93?...and, is that technique also considered as the claw? _________________________ From PC to Mac as I drunk drum Bluestars 09. Comment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4CKdEHd3Y0
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#55639 - 07/08/05 08:29 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: madoldskool]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	The technique is Irish bodhrán drumming. As one would guess, this technique as been around MUCH longer than the "claw" so the two are not connected. However, I'll have to ask Mark Casey the next time I run into him if seeing the bass line use the bodhrán technique in '92 sparked the idea for the claw. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55640 - 09/07/05 12:46 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Pretty nifty man.
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#55641 - 09/25/05 04:13 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
STmanEL Registered: 09/17/03 Loc: New Jersey, USA	well about the claw, if you really wanna rack your brain on sumtin crazy, try dooin the claw roll with one hand. The angle is the same and its more on a triplet feel but its definetely sick stuff. I was first introduced to it by watching the video of casey bradford i think dooing it in his solo for i&e. It knocked me off my rocker and i tried it myself and can get it kinda consistent but it look like butt. If anyone can help me with the look of the one handed claw can u get back to me on it?
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#55642 - 09/28/05 08:19 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: STmanEL]
STmanEL Registered: 09/17/03 Loc: New Jersey, USA	my bad its casey brohard who did the one hand claw
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#55643 - 10/13/05 10:07 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: STmanEL]
SPHSSnare Registered: 08/27/05 Loc: New Jersey, USA	can somebody help me out with this, when try to do the claw, I can't seem to keep the stick on the head of the drum, the stick is bigger then the head, do i just need more wrist movement to keep it on? _________________________ 04-05 Snare 05-06 Center Snare 06-07 Center Snare / Drum Captain 07-08 Drum Major
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#55644 - 10/13/05 07:31 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: SPHSSnare]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	Yeah. Twist your hand and and wrist from side to side, in such a way that it's not even noticeable. Just keep experimenting until the stick on both ends hits the head.
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#55645 - 11/11/05 03:47 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: STmanEL]
Praetorian Registered: 09/17/02 Loc: Slidell, Louisiana	Quote: well about the claw, if you really wanna rack your brain on sumtin crazy, try dooin the claw roll with one hand. The angle is the same and its more on a triplet feel but its definetely sick stuff. I was first introduced to it by watching the video of casey bradford i think dooing it in his solo for i&e. It knocked me off my rocker and i tried it myself and can get it kinda consistent but it look like butt. If anyone can help me with the look of the one handed claw can u get back to me on it? Yeah...check Hulka's post a few posts up. He posts a link for a video where he explains the claw a bit and plays it (in addition to the helicopter) _________________________ I play drums.
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#55646 - 11/11/05 07:47 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Praetorian]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I read this thread and how to do the claw, I am still pretty confused.
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#55647 - 11/14/05 01:52 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I can't find ANY video of "The Claw" OR "The Hulka Helicopter" Can any one help a brotha out?
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#55648 - 11/14/05 02:16 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Middle Age Man Reviews Administrator Registered: 06/26/01 Loc: Hewitt, NJ	Addict601 - Re-read through the thread. _________________________ The Cavaliers - Baritone 1993 Hawthorne Caballeros - Baritone 1988, Contra 1989-1995, Bass 6/5 1996-1998 Pequannock HS - Marching Instructor 1995 Saddle Brook HS - Percussion Instructor 1995 Lodi HS - Percussion Instructor 1996-2003
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#55649 - 11/14/05 04:01 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Words almost fail to describe that...... Wow. Hulka, I worship your abilites Now, I have no clue how you do the claw....
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#55650 - 11/14/05 08:14 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
SCVbass11 Registered: 02/29/04 Loc: California	Quote: Words almost fail to describe that...... Now, I have no clue how you do the claw.... but they can describe that you havent looked through the thread enough on how to do the claw. and that you double posted. Edited by PyRoDrUmMR (11/14/05 08:14 PM) _________________________ SCV Cadets 05-08 (Trumpet, Bass 5, 2, 4) SCV 09-10 (Bass 4, 3)
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#55651 - 11/15/05 08:12 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: SCVbass11]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I don't understand the wrist movement.
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#55652 - 11/24/05 06:17 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	Im not so sure myself, but basically i think you grab the stick in the middle and just spin it so that it looks like a circle (aka helicopter) _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55653 - 11/24/05 08:21 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I Think I'm grasping the concept, it's like a modification to back sticking right? And He isn't just spinning, he's playing it.
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#55654 - 11/24/05 08:35 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	dont be obnoxious. _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55655 - 11/25/05 11:50 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I did the right hand claw this morning. It's not perfect, but I did it o.O. It's actually not too hard once you get the movements down. What I recommend and what I did, is look in the mirror and try to get the stick moving similar to Hulka's movement in the video, then just loosen up a little bit and try doing the same movement and if you look as though you have the same movement, then try to hit the drum while doing it and diddle the left hand. The only problem I'm really having is hitting the drum (pad in my case right now X_x) with the butt, but when I get it going it sounds pretty good. P Pretty nifty ^.^ ~Kova
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#55656 - 11/25/05 01:23 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	wait is the helicopter and claw different things? i thought they were the same since in the video there was only one movement _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55657 - 11/25/05 02:41 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Technically yes they're the same. Except on the helicopter, you're doing the spinning movement with both hands. It kinda sounds like a helicopter :P. The Claw, from what I understand is doing this movement with only one hand and diddling with the opposite. I could've misunderstood, but this is what I got out of the video - Hulka says "here's the Claw" and spins only the right stick and diddles with his left, then says "and the helicopter" and does this with both. So that's basically it :P. Correct me if I'm wrong though
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#55658 - 11/25/05 08:01 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
cubanochulo Registered: 12/30/04 Loc: Bergen County, New Jersey	search videos.google.com for hulka, and two of the clips come up, one is various solos from the cavies throughout the early 90's and the other is the claw. _________________________ Freshman - Learning to drum and read music Sophmore - DMAE Bottom bass for football season, snare for marching season. Junior - DMAE Snare section leader, highly requested drummer for many occasions and bands, paid in several situations. Senior - Teaching beginners drumming, Jazz Band drummer, proud DMAE Drumline Captain and Drum Major.
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#55659 - 11/25/05 09:33 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: cubanochulo]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Lol that's the movie we're talking about (atleast I am :P )
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#55660 - 11/26/05 10:02 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Dragon150043 Registered: 11/15/05 Loc: Santa Barbra, CA	i love the CLAW!! i do it on my tenors... now i dont know if all you snare players out there want me out of here... but i do it all the time... especially for during cadences when we ad-lib... its amazing and people go nuts! _________________________ Do you miss DLPN? If so, go to showB4theshow.com ! It's new and needs your support! Excellence is the willingness to be caught learning. - Me
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#55661 - 11/27/05 09:13 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Dragon150043]
LTownRaiders Registered: 09/13/05 Loc: Leonardtown, Maryland	you've gotta be using vegas or tenor sticks then cause i don't see how you can do that with mallets _________________________ Leonardtown High School Marching Band. Raider Drumline. USSBA State Champions. '05-'06:...........Polychromatic................Center Tenor '06-'07...........Salute to WWII................Center Tenor I proudly endorse: Pearl marching percussion and cowbells, Remo heads, Vic Firth sticks and mallets, and Zildjian cymbals.
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#55662 - 11/28/05 01:48 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: LTownRaiders]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	its possible. just difficult _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55663 - 12/27/05 10:40 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
x3drumbum3x Registered: 07/06/04 Loc: West Virginia	I recently learned a cool claw variation from my band director('95 Bluecoats). You play invert cheeses with the right hand doing the claw. The diddle is clawed and then the right hand tap is played with the bead. It's pretty cool and very easy to pick up if you can already do the claw. I was just wondering if anyone else had seen or heard of this and if anyone might possibly know of its origins. _________________________ NHS - 04-Present Snare Elements - 06 Snare
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#55664 - 12/28/05 09:16 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: x3drumbum3x]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	There were guys doing variations of the claw almost immediately after learning it, and really the possibilities are endless because the claw is nothing more than a diddle. My favorite variations are the ones that turn the claw into three or even four strokes. I can kind of do the three strokes (butt-tip-butt) but to my knowledge Todd "Quicksilver" Sommer (snare '94-'96) is the only guy I've ever seen pull off a four stroke claw. That is, rotating your right wrist only playing four strokes in a continuous motion. It's crazy and I have no advice on how to do it because I can't play it! _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55665 - 12/28/05 01:40 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	didnt casey brohard do it in his solo? http://www.vicfirth.com/features/DCI2005/video/IandE_brohardHQ.html Edited by insanejin (12/28/05 01:41 PM) _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55666 - 12/29/05 09:22 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	- *Edited for off-topic content. -* Edited by Middle Age Man (12/29/05 10:11 AM)
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#55667 - 12/29/05 10:58 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: didnt casey brohard do it in his solo? http://www.vicfirth.com/features/DCI2005/video/IandE_brohardHQ.html Yep, he sure did. So there's two people I know of that did a 4-stroke one-handed claw in a performance. BTW, Casey's solo is friggin' genius. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55668 - 12/29/05 02:15 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	A little bit off topic, but that was a crazy solo. Before that crazy claw thing he did, it sounded like he stumbled just a slight bit.
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#55669 - 01/02/06 03:54 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	i think all drummer should p[lay what they want
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#55670 - 01/02/06 04:04 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
hyperionmsu Registered: 03/22/04 Loc: St. Louis/Springfield, MO	Quote: i think all drummer should p[lay what they want Well, that was insightful... _________________________ missouri state university - snare 05,06 phi mu alpha sinfonia, iota rho - spring 06
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#55671 - 01/04/06 06:31 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: insanejin]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	I like to do 3-way backsticking pujuddas into a 3-point claw. All are 6's. I like doing clawed cheezes and inverts also.
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#55672 - 01/05/06 10:15 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: snare13]
Middle Age Man Reviews Administrator Registered: 06/26/01 Loc: Hewitt, NJ	Back on topic people. This thread is about the Claw. _________________________ The Cavaliers - Baritone 1993 Hawthorne Caballeros - Baritone 1988, Contra 1989-1995, Bass 6/5 1996-1998 Pequannock HS - Marching Instructor 1995 Saddle Brook HS - Percussion Instructor 1995 Lodi HS - Percussion Instructor 1996-2003
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#55673 - 01/05/06 08:04 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Middle Age Man]
x3drumbum3x Registered: 07/06/04 Loc: West Virginia	Does anyone have any insight's on how to do the 4-stroke claw? I'm always looking for weird tricks to learn. _________________________ NHS - 04-Present Snare Elements - 06 Snare
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#55674 - 02/15/06 11:55 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: x3drumbum3x]
HCHSDrummer05 Registered: 07/26/04 Loc: Hattiesburg, MS (USM)	I haven't figured out the 4 stroke claw yet... I can sort of do the 3 stroke claw, but it's rather icky. It would probably involve another rotation of the wrist or something weird along those lines... lol _________________________ Harrison Central High School '04/05: Plates/4th Bass \| '05/06: Snare \| '06/07: Snare (MCM and Synergy Auditionee, '07/08) Teaching: Instructor, Harrison Central 9th \| Marching Tech, HCHS
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#55675 - 02/22/06 05:12 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Landerin Registered: 02/22/06 Loc: Horizontal on the feild	i can ask my instructor...Greg Wortman...he was on that line! i'll ask him how ta do it if you need it _________________________ Maumee High School Drumline '05-'06-Bass 2 '06-'07-Snare '07-'08-Snare '08-'09-Snare
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#55676 - 02/22/06 05:44 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Landerin]
kevin_fu OMGWTFBBQ Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	Quote: i can ask my instructor...Greg Wortman...he was on that line! i'll ask him how ta do it if you need it You should have read the entire topic . _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#55677 - 02/23/06 05:03 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
Landerin Registered: 02/22/06 Loc: Horizontal on the feild	Quote: Quote: i can ask my instructor...Greg Wortman...he was on that line! i'll ask him how ta do it if you need it You should have read the entire topic . sorry read first page and last page ...anyways the claw looks harder than i thought it wold be _________________________ Maumee High School Drumline '05-'06-Bass 2 '06-'07-Snare '07-'08-Snare '08-'09-Snare
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#55678 - 03/17/06 04:09 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: BadDrummer]
D-Unit Registered: 12/18/04	Quote: rofl, thanks man. i actually found an instruction written by Scott "Hulka" McCoy :P. thanks ramdrumr and Hulka. does anyone know where this instuction is because i still have not found out how to actually do the helicopter or the claw _________________________ Gateway snare 05 Gateway snare 06 Cadets-????? find out at the end of the year
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#55679 - 03/20/06 01:35 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: D-Unit]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	I have no idea who authored this Wikipedia article, but it does provide a good explanation. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55680 - 03/20/06 02:05 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
kevin_fu OMGWTFBBQ Registered: 06/16/00 Loc: Southern MD	hahaha, you were a drum sergeant? Not a bad explanation. _________________________ -Kevin Instructor/Tech Northern HS - Owings, MD \| Winter '03 - Fall '04 Patuxent HS - Lusby, MD \| Fall '06 Huntingtown HS - Huntingtown, MD \| Fall '07 Project PIW - Pittsburgh, PA \| '05 - Cymbals Promote Tolerance\|Go Redskins!
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#55681 - 05/13/06 11:47 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
PGSnare44 Registered: 02/24/06	Ok, I'm still slightly confused. When performing the claw, is the stick supposed to be sweeping towards you or should you be able to look at the stick in front of you and see it sweeping left to right? _________________________ --2004 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2005 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2006 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2007 PGHS CenterSnare Hopefully--
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#55682 - 05/14/06 08:21 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: PGSnare44]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	The right-hand motion is counter-clockwise, therefore the stick is sweeping towards you. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55683 - 05/14/06 10:06 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
PGSnare44 Registered: 02/24/06	Ok. Thanx a lot. I think I about have it down then... _________________________ --2004 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2005 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2006 PGHS CenterSnare-- --2007 PGHS CenterSnare Hopefully--
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#55684 - 05/16/06 07:56 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Can you please put it some where were we begginners can see it
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#55685 - 05/16/06 09:47 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	Quote: Can you please put it some where were we begginners can see it I don't believe that you have to have a rank to search google.
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#55686 - 05/16/06 11:53 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: snare13]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	No need to search Google since the searching has already been done. cuty, read the entire thread and you'll find what you're looking for. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55687 - 05/18/06 12:37 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Man, thanks alot. I've been wondering about the Claw ever since I saw Nick Hayden use it in his DCI solo and a guy I met did it.
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#55688 - 06/23/06 01:10 AM Hulka Helicopter [Re: ]
davidmyers Registered: 01/05/06 Loc: Rosebud, TX	I recently got down the Casey Claw. I have also started getting the left hand ready to do the helicopter. The problem I'm running into is fitting both rotating sticks onto the drum. I saw in the video that you kind of tilted your sticks, but didn't really say anything about that. Is there anything I should know about that? Any tip or secret? _________________________ --------------------------------------------- 05-06 Snare 06-07 Percussion Cpt./ Tenor 07 All State Solo-Received 1 and Outstanding Performer 07-08 Percussion Cpt./ Tenor 08-09 Drum Major/ Snare (Finally!!)
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#55689 - 06/23/06 10:44 AM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: davidmyers]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	No secret, just "tilt" your sticks so they both fit on the drum. Slicing on an angle will allow both sticks to hit the drum and the constant motion prevents the sticks from hitting each other. Yes I realize that is a smart-alec answer but you pretty much answered your own question. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55690 - 06/23/06 07:28 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: Hulka]
davidmyers Registered: 01/05/06 Loc: Rosebud, TX	Ok, and yeah it was an odd question. If not stupid. _________________________ --------------------------------------------- 05-06 Snare 06-07 Percussion Cpt./ Tenor 07 All State Solo-Received 1 and Outstanding Performer 07-08 Percussion Cpt./ Tenor 08-09 Drum Major/ Snare (Finally!!)
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#55691 - 06/24/06 12:54 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: davidmyers]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	For some reason, my computer won't let me watch any of the vids, is there any other way I can watch them?
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#55692 - 06/28/06 08:35 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: ]
DLWebmaestro Registered: 04/25/00 Loc: Drumlines.org Server	Your computer won't let you watch any of the videos? Do you click a link, and it speaks to you, saying, "I'm sorry Dave, I cannot allow you to do that."? In the present day, computers are not living, breathing beings that have the capability of deciding whether or not to "let" someone do something or not. Your computer is not sitting there, thinking, "I know he wants to see this, but I am not going to let him." I think what you meant to say is, that you are not able to view the videos. That being said, the Google videos work fine for me. It's quite obvious that the other linked-servers no longer exist. _________________________ DLWEBMAESTRO Performing Great Mills HS: '92-'96 -> Front Ensemble, Plates, Snare \| Baltimore Ravens: '00-'03 -> Snare Teaching Thomas Stone HS: '97-'99 \| Patuxent HS: '99 This is why I cannot answer your sheet music access question right away.
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#55693 - 06/28/06 09:19 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: DLWebmaestro]
DrumKirk89 Registered: 01/01/06 Loc: Laramie, WY	I got a yamaha poster from a sounds of summer camp, it has some hybrids on it. it has the casey claw on it written out as R-bR-L-bL as in right, back right left back left ect. isnt this the hulka helicopter and not the casey claw?
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#55694 - 06/28/06 09:43 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: DrumKirk89]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	Quote: I got a yamaha poster from a sounds of summer camp, it has some hybrids on it OFF TOPIC: Does anyone know if any of these posters are available for purchase? I would like to hang one in our bandroom.
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#55695 - 06/28/06 09:47 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: DrumKirk89]
chstenors09 Registered: 05/13/06 Loc: Cabot, Arkansas	Quote: I got a yamaha poster from a sounds of summer camp, it has some hybrids on it. it has the casey claw on it written out as R-bR-L-bL as in right, back right left back left ect. isnt this the hulka helicopter and not the casey claw? I believe the helicopter is just the casey claw with both hands? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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#55696 - 06/28/06 11:43 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: DrumKirk89]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: I got a yamaha poster from a sounds of summer camp, it has some hybrids on it. it has the casey claw on it written out as R-bR-L-bL as in right, back right left back left ect. isnt this the hulka helicopter and not the casey claw? Actually, that is neither the Casey Claw or the Hulka Helicopter. The Casey Claw would be: bR-R-L-L-bR-R-L-L The Hulka Helicopter would be: bR-R-bL-L-bR-R-bL-L Way to be totally wrong, Yamaha. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55697 - 06/28/06 11:50 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: Hulka]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	Quote: Quote: I got a yamaha poster from a sounds of summer camp, it has some hybrids on it. it has the casey claw on it written out as R-bR-L-bL as in right, back right left back left ect. isnt this the hulka helicopter and not the casey claw? Actually, that is neither the Casey Claw or the Hulka Helicopter. The Casey Claw would be: bR-R-L-L-bR-R-L-L The Hulka Helicopter would be: bR-R-bL-L-bR-R-bL-L Way to be totally wrong, Yamaha. Thast would be the matched grip helicopter, wouldn't it? The traditional grip helicopter would be: bR-R-L-bL-bR-R-L-bL
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#55698 - 06/28/06 11:56 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: snare13]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Quote: The traditional grip claw would be: bR-R-L-bL-bR-R-L-bL That would be a helicopter, wouldn't it?
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#55699 - 06/29/06 11:59 AM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: snare13]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: Thast would be the matched grip helicopter, wouldn't it? The traditional grip helicopter would be: bR-R-L-bL-bR-R-L-bL Good point, but technically the Helicopter is match grip either way but I get what you're saying. I notated as if both the right and left sticks were held tips "up", whereas the "traditional" method means where you just flip the left over in a backticking fashion with the "butt" up. Good catch, snare13. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55700 - 07/17/06 05:23 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: chstenors09]
sweetnlow69 Registered: 04/06/05 Loc: corpus christi tx	if you all are talking about the scottie drum claw, its a lotta sextupples tied together...its easier to kold the stick upside down...head, butt,head,head, butt, head.. its a scottich drumming thing from way back... your arm has to be as loose as possible..
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#55701 - 07/17/06 06:32 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: sweetnlow69]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	Quote: if you all are talking about the scottie drum claw, its a lotta sextupples tied together...its easier to kold the stick upside down...head, butt,head,head, butt, head.. its a scottich drumming thing from way back... your arm has to be as loose as possible.. I've never heard of this. Is there anywhere this can be viewed, or how it is notated?
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#55702 - 07/18/06 01:01 AM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: sweetnlow69]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: if you all are talking about the scottie drum claw, its a lotta sextupples tied together...its easier to kold the stick upside down...head, butt,head,head, butt, head.. its a scottich drumming thing from way back... your arm has to be as loose as possible.. Are you talking about bodhran drumming? _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55703 - 07/18/06 05:08 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: Hulka]
pressclick Registered: 03/23/06	Question: Was the Casey Claw inspired by the Cavies bass drum bodhran drumming in 92 and 93? Pressclick Witness of the first ever claw performance at BOA 93 _________________________ I once thought I was a ninja in Istanbul.
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#55704 - 08/05/06 06:50 PM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: pressclick]
sweetnlow69 Registered: 04/06/05 Loc: corpus christi tx	there we go something like that!!! i knew it was wierd> what year was it that trhe cavies used it?
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#55705 - 08/07/06 09:12 AM Re: Hulka Helicopter [Re: pressclick]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: Question: Was the Casey Claw inspired by the Cavies bass drum bodhran drumming in 92 and 93? I never have asked Casey of the origins but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55706 - 09/02/06 12:33 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: BadDrummer]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	i cant see the video your showing but once i saw this brazilian drummer do something like, on his left hand he's playing traditional, then with the right hand he hit the drum then spins it, hits as if he were holding his left hand on traditional, his it again, then spins it in order for the stick to be in between his middle and indicator fingers, then back to original position in between every R there are 2 L just as if it were a Backstick trick! good luck =)
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#55707 - 10/26/06 09:37 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Praetorian]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	Well, I showed my drumline Cavies 95 last night. And then spent all practice trying to get them to NOT play the Helicopter. Thanks Hulka! _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Tenors 07, Snare 08, Tenors 09 http://www.czpercussion.com - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#55708 - 10/26/06 10:00 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Cadet311]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Quote: Well, I showed my drumline Cavies 95 last night. And then spent all practice trying to get them to NOT play the Helicopter. I did the same thing...it gets very annoying when everyone is hacking with the claw. We threw it into our cadence and I cannot wait to do a drum-off with it. Wes
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#55709 - 11/14/06 11:00 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Cadet311]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: Well, I showed my drumline Cavies 95 last night. And then spent all practice trying to get them to NOT play the Helicopter. Thanks Hulka! Haha, no problem! Is there anything else I can help you with to detract from teaching your kids? _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55710 - 11/14/06 01:14 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Cadet311 Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: North NJ	Well, let me know the next time you're in the Jersey area. You can come and demonstrate it and show them personally and effectively ruin any chance of teaching these kids anything for the next five years! _________________________ I teach some lines - ask me Bridgemen Tenors 07, Snare 08, Tenors 09 http://www.czpercussion.com - MY Website - CZPercussion
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#55711 - 12/17/06 05:44 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: BadDrummer]
Xareoshin Registered: 09/03/06 Loc: Paris, TX	Yeah... I can do the two-handed version now.... I'm so happy... This really is a monumental time in my life... I'm crying _________________________ Tenors are the best thing since sliced bread!!
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#55712 - 12/31/06 07:30 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: Xareoshin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	I looked through the entire thread, and I didn't see any on else with this problem, but I may have been wrong. When doing the claw, I keep getting the butt of the stick caught on the inside of the rim, is there anyways to prevent that? Or is it just continually moving your arm up and down? ps. Xareoshin, at the end of one of your videos I think I saw you doing the 4 hit claw, am I right?
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#55713 - 12/31/06 07:54 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
snare13 User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/04/06 Loc: Russell, Ky	All you have to do is flatten your angle. When I used to do that, I noticed that my stick was almost completely straight up and down. When you flatten it, the tip and butt go in a circular motion instead of forward and back ward. If you don't have this problem, then just move you sticks to the opposite side. If that doesn't work, then I can't help you.
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#55714 - 12/31/06 08:01 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: snare13]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Thanks! That really helped!
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#55715 - 01/01/07 01:38 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
drumlinekid06 Registered: 07/15/06 Loc: Mass	Be aggresive
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#55716 - 04/07/07 02:18 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: drumlinekid06]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	this rudiment took me about 25 minutes to nail, not perfect but were not marching yet, i want to throw the casey claw into the show but my sticks keep getting caught in the rim (ralph hardimons) and i know my new snare wont be able to handle it, so what smaller sticks should we use?
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#55717 - 04/07/07 10:52 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	No need for smaller sticks, just need to increase the angle of the stick. The sticks we used in '94 and '95 were SilverFox but were the exact same length as Hardimons, and we played the claw on 13 inch drums. The key is to slice enough to find that "sweet spot" where you're not catching the rim. Every drum will be minutely different because of the variations in rim height. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55718 - 04/07/07 01:53 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: Hulka]
falconsnare209 Registered: 11/29/05 Loc: Winton, California	yeah, we had the claw in our show this year right at the beggining. We used Scott Johnsons on a 14 inch white max. Sounded good too. _________________________ Gabriel '04-'05 WMS Snare '05-'06 AHS Snare '06-'07 AHS Snare '07-'08 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt. '08-'09 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt.
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#55719 - 04/07/07 05:36 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: falconsnare209]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	i have to admit, i really do not know where my angle should be, it ends up different every time, (3 'o clock 4 'o clock would be really low wouldnt it?) i know last night i was thinking we could use the Jeff Queen's because of the double taper.
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#55720 - 04/07/07 06:02 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
pressclick Registered: 03/23/06	Old threads don’t die. They just fade away. Still impressed from the 93 BOA Percussion Festival, I asked John Wilmarth to show me how to do the claw outside Centerville High School in 1994 which he kindly did. Back then it was a real novelty act that few had seen, a sure way to impress friends and family. _________________________ I once thought I was a ninja in Istanbul.
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#55721 - 04/07/07 08:53 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
falconsnare209 Registered: 11/29/05 Loc: Winton, California	Quote: i have to admit, i really do not know where my angle should be, it ends up different every time, (3 'o clock 4 'o clock would be really low wouldnt it?) i know last night i was thinking we could use the Jeff Queen's because of the double taper. You just got to try till u get it. Like Hulka siad find your "sweet spot" _________________________ Gabriel '04-'05 WMS Snare '05-'06 AHS Snare '06-'07 AHS Snare '07-'08 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt. '08-'09 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt.
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#55722 - 04/07/07 08:55 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: falconsnare209]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	but the line does have to match heights and such (we only have 2 snares this year)
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#55723 - 04/08/07 04:35 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
falconsnare209 Registered: 11/29/05 Loc: Winton, California	If the Line can do it watch their heights and watch their angle and where on the drum they are clawing at, and if it works for them it should work for you. Just keep going at it. masturbate it helps (same motion). ahaha _________________________ Gabriel '04-'05 WMS Snare '05-'06 AHS Snare '06-'07 AHS Snare '07-'08 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt. '08-'09 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt.
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#55724 - 04/10/07 12:22 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: pressclick]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Quote: Still impressed from the 93 BOA Percussion Festival... Ah yes, the public debut of the claw. Scott Johnson was one of the judges and I believe his comment on the tape immediately after we played the claw was something to the affect of "Holy $&!+!!! What the #^@% was that?!?! That was awesome!!!" _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#55725 - 04/10/07 01:13 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: Hulka]
insanejin Registered: 08/02/05 Loc: irvine, ca	ok about the helicopter. i can do the helicopter, which i need to angle the stick, but i really cant do the helicopter because then i'd have to angle both sticks, which is nearly impossible for me. is there a different technique with the angling for the helipcopter? _________________________ Pacific Crest 2008
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#55726 - 04/10/07 03:58 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: insanejin]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	i have a huge problem, while performing the claw on the snare today i noticed that the batter head started tearing . . .is this normal? (only air pockets formed)
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#55727 - 04/10/07 04:51 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Drummerboy33 Registered: 03/03/07	no thats not normal. you probably over tightened the bottom head
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#55728 - 04/10/07 07:33 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: Drummerboy33]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	the bottom head? its fine, actually it was a little loose . .
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#55729 - 04/12/07 12:09 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
falconsnare209 Registered: 11/29/05 Loc: Winton, California	Quote: the bottom head? its fine, actually it was a little loose . . Too loose? idk, hahah, i don't even know. _________________________ Gabriel '04-'05 WMS Snare '05-'06 AHS Snare '06-'07 AHS Snare '07-'08 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt. '08-'09 AHS Snare Section Leader & Drumline Capt.
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#55730 - 04/12/07 12:57 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: falconsnare209]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	i tightened up my top head today. . . .got some of the bubbles out but. .they're still there
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#55731 - 04/12/07 03:34 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
nasti Registered: 02/24/07	i cant find an instruction on the claw can so one tell me were i can get it from
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#55732 - 04/12/07 04:02 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: nasti]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Ill try to explain it the way i do it. . . The Claw (aka the Casey Claw) grab the stick in a fist in your right hand, almost dead center. Next loosen your wrist and strike the drum in one motion as if your shaking your hand after writing a long time, now make sure that your stick is hitting tip to butt. Now diddle your left hand. thats it! (written i think it should look like this . . B T L L B T L L) "Butt tip left left" Estimated time of learning approximately 25 minutes Estimated time of mastery . . . depends on the player Hulka Helecopter (aka hulka or helecopter) Do the claw with both sticks, just dont diddle heres a video with Xaeroshin demonstrating it, its the last visual, enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4ttmtswR4 Edited by CitronelleCptn (04/12/07 04:04 PM)
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#55733 - 04/12/07 04:10 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
nasti Registered: 02/24/07	thanks alot
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#55734 - 04/12/07 04:19 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: nasti]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	no problem i enjoy helping others . .but i really wish i knew why it was tearing my head up. . .what kinda heads did the cavies use?
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#55735 - 04/12/07 04:22 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Are you using mylar or Kevlar®? I have myl;ar so mine sort of do that.
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#55736 - 04/12/07 04:31 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	its Falams, its the head that originally came with the drum . . so i guess mylar
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#55737 - 04/25/07 01:40 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	Try not pressing down as hard. I know once I got more fluid with it, it just lightly skims. (you can also go much faster this way as well)
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#55738 - 04/25/07 04:23 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	yep i got that down, thanks for the tip
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#55739 - 06/09/07 01:24 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: nasti]
binghamsnare Registered: 03/09/06 Loc: South Jordan, Utah	Quote: thanks alot omg that is funny! Thanks for the help in this thread everyone! Okay new version of this thing... In one of Casey Brohard's solos, he does this and makes it sound like a roll with only one hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzU5HBou2lU 0:55-1:05 Is he just doing it really fast? Or is there another step involved? Edited by binghamsnare (06/09/07 01:33 AM) _________________________ University of Utah Snare Bingham HS Bass, Snare
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#55740 - 06/09/07 01:41 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: binghamsnare]
Alphorn88 Registered: 04/15/07	That is just rotating his hand really fast, I believe.
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#55741 - 06/09/07 06:47 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: Alphorn88]
kcsnare Registered: 07/21/06 Loc: Kansas City	It's more like triplets. BTBBTBBTBBTBB BTB BTB BTB BTB
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#55742 - 06/17/07 09:51 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: kcsnare]
Anonymous User has negative Karma.	For the Claw, its just playin a double roll with the right hand doing the claw (RR) and the left hand playing LL, right?
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#55743 - 06/17/07 04:38 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: ]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	... yes.
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#55744 - 07/09/07 12:51 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: ]
Simplex Registered: 07/05/07	Casey is my hero.
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#55745 - 07/09/07 03:41 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Simplex]
DrumerKruse Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: Colorado	too bad he choked it up at i&e _________________________ MFBKB 4 life
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#55746 - 07/09/07 04:26 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: DrumerKruse]
Gernads Registered: 02/10/07 Loc: Chesterland, Ohio	Casey Claw? Fan boys much! I'm just joshing around. I like Casey as much as the rest of you. What do you mean he choked it up in the I&E though, Kruse? _________________________ West Geauga High School 06-10 - Bass, Snare, Quads
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#55747 - 07/10/07 01:03 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
Viper989 Registered: 03/11/07	It is hard as hell to do sometimes but once you get the hang of it, it looks and sound SO sweet! That's one of the main reasons their drum feature was so hot in Mercury _________________________ You can handle it? Oh well hey, another one bites the dust
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#161761 - 05/05/08 11:13 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: swisscheese]
dpyon User has negative Karma. Registered: 05/05/08 Loc: va	the vid is nuts
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#164148 - 06/03/08 09:16 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: dpyon]
SnareFlare Registered: 05/04/08 Loc: Florida	I love the Claw! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8040537896011944569&q=Hulka+Helicopter&ei=iuxFSPLlMZPgrgLp--mQDA _________________________ 06-07 Southeast High School 2nd Snare 07-08 Southeast High School Snare Captain 08-09 Lakewood Ranch HS 2nd Snare
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#169764 - 08/16/08 01:04 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: SnareFlare]
bhspitarmando20 Registered: 03/27/03 Loc: Martinsburg, West Virginia	Definitely a sight to behold! I've been a big fan of Cavies 95 since I used to come on here all the time back when I was in high school... So to watch the video, it felt great to see him to do it. Thanks again, Hulka, for being such a great sport here on drumlines.org Maybe I'll stick around on here a bit longer than before lol
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#170049 - 08/20/08 04:16 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: bhspitarmando20]
drummerboy93 Registered: 08/17/08 Loc: Northern Virginia	Such a cool trick. I learned it earlier today Im still trying to learn the helicopter. _________________________ 07-08 Timpani/Cymbals 08-09 Marimba 09-10 Hopefully Battery
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#173065 - 10/25/08 01:34 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: drummerboy93]
DblSnare User has negative Karma. Registered: 10/23/08 Loc: north carolina	This thing is killing my wrists! anyone else feeling slight wrist pain after traing to learn this? or am i doing it wrong?
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#173560 - 11/05/08 09:13 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: DblSnare]
DrUmLiNe_4_LyFe Registered: 04/24/08 Loc: Florida	i cant figure out how to do the claw or the helicopter. are there any videos explaining either or can anyone explain them on here. Also this is kind of related but help/vids/explinations for 3 way backsticking? Thanks _________________________ STRYKE Percussion - 12 UCF Drumline - 11 Coral Glades Indoor - 09-11 Coral Springs HS - 07-11
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#173565 - 11/05/08 10:36 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: DrUmLiNe_4_LyFe]
9Volt Registered: 02/12/08 Loc: Yup	Look everywhere, Im sure you can find the three way backsticking. Well, try youtube, Bunch of video's breaking it down. As for the claw, theres nothing really more to be explained. Just take your stick, grip it like a baseball bat instead of a drumstick, and point the bead out away from you. Then just turn your wrist, much in the same way your wrist turns when you play traditional. Keep playing with it, make sure you do it on a surface that dosn't catch either. I can't do it on a slimpad, to much drag. I don't know about a laminate. The best bet would probably just be screw with the trick a little more at school. Edited by 9Volt (11/05/08 10:36 PM)
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#178259 - 01/20/09 02:58 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: 9Volt]
free_percussion Registered: 01/18/09 Loc: Mississippi	the laminate on the slimpad works great for the claw since they were basically made for scrapes on the quadpads
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#178267 - 01/20/09 05:57 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: free_percussion]
bltsponge Registered: 06/30/08 Loc: Stamford, CT	I tried doing the claw on my snare, and it sounded like GARBAGE. I think I might be doing it wrong though. Are you supposed to have any rotation besides the side-to-side traditional like movement like 9volt said? What I'm doing, I'm getting 2 very weak sounding hits, neither of which are anywhere close to the center. I suppose this is one of those things that you can't do forever and eventually it will just click, kinda like hi-moms did for me. edit: A little more practice... I've somewhat got it down. It's fun to mess around with. Edited by bltsponge (01/20/09 09:00 PM)
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#182593 - 02/20/09 10:12 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: bltsponge]
PrettyFlySnareGu User has negative Karma. Registered: 01/25/09 Loc: Missouri	This is just silly. Tricks are for kids, lol. Try bending your hand downward instead of having it straight with your wrist. That'll probably help with the sound quality. _________________________ Don't worry, be happy FHC snare 06-09 VIP snare 09 Freedom snare 2010
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#182703 - 02/21/09 03:47 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: kevin_fu]
glareonthesnare User has negative Karma. Registered: 02/21/09 Loc: usa Post's Karma Value: -20	I can do it!lol...my perc. instructer can do it with of hands on one drum! _________________________ 8th grade-2nd bass freshman-2nd/3rd snare
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#182709 - 02/21/09 06:14 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: glareonthesnare]
Chambana Registered: 08/20/07 Loc: ♩♬♩♫	Originally Posted By: glareonthesnare I can do it!lol...my perc. instructer can do it with both of his hands on one drum! Welcome to the website with the guy who invented the double claw. The Hulka Helicopter.
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#184901 - 04/01/09 03:58 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Chambana]
admiralriker Registered: 12/05/08 Loc: U.S.A.	Im fortunate enough to actually know the Second Snare from Cavies 1994. He's gonna teach me the claw hands on. I already got the original "Bunco Rules" from him too.....
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#184903 - 04/01/09 04:41 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: admiralriker]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Just curious... who's the "Second Snare from Cavies 1994"? _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#184947 - 04/02/09 03:43 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
admiralriker Registered: 12/05/08 Loc: U.S.A.	Im pretty sure he said Second Snare. Chris Hall?
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#185012 - 04/03/09 11:50 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: admiralriker]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Hmmm, the '94 snare line consisted of the following 7 guys from left to right as you look at the line: Dan Desena Dana Slabaugh John Wilmarth Mitch Waldrep (Section Leader, Drum Sergeant) Scott McCoy Todd Sommers Chad Kohler No Chris Hall. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#185020 - 04/03/09 01:53 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
admiralriker Registered: 12/05/08 Loc: U.S.A.	I know for a FACT he was on the snare line. He has had a name change since then. Let me ask him whats up, but I know he was there. I have to make sure it was '94, because in '95 Cavie's won the Championship, and he wasnt there. He was 18 I believe and still in highschool when he played.
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#185024 - 04/03/09 05:40 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: admiralriker]
admiralriker Registered: 12/05/08 Loc: U.S.A. Post's Karma Value: -20	He and "Xanadu" wrote "Big Wet Box" (aka Bunco Rules) Karma deducted for double-posting. Edited by DLWebmaestro (04/03/09 11:08 PM)
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#185046 - 04/04/09 01:26 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: admiralriker]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	No one from the '94 snare line has changed their name so it can't be that year. Xanadu marched '97 and '98 so perhaps this person marched one of those years. Oh, and "Big Wet Box" is a vocal in Bunco Rules which was written by Pat "Bunco" McGowan. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#187536 - 05/07/09 10:17 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
9Volt Registered: 02/12/08 Loc: Yup	Originally Posted By: Hulka Just curious... who's the "Second Snare from Cavies 1994"? You were the second snare...right?
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#187544 - 05/08/09 12:22 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Chambana Registered: 08/20/07 Loc: ♩♬♩♫	Originally Posted By: Hulka Hmmm, the '94 snare line consisted of the following 7 guys from left to right as you look at the line: Dan Desena Dana Slabaugh John Wilmarth Mitch Waldrep (Section Leader, Drum Sergeant) Scott McCoy Todd Sommers Chad Kohler No Chris Hall. You wouldn't happen to know if any of them went to the University of Illinois would you?
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#187864 - 05/13/09 12:48 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Chambana]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	Originally Posted By: 9Volt Originally Posted By: Hulka Just curious... who's the "Second Snare from Cavies 1994"? You were the second snare...right? There's no such thing. After section leader there's no official ranking of snare. I was next to center but so was John Wilmarth, who march '91 and '92 so he'd have seniority over me anyway. Originally Posted By: Chambana Originally Posted By: Hulka Hmmm, the '94 snare line consisted of the following 7 guys from left to right as you look at the line: Dan Desena Dana Slabaugh John Wilmarth Mitch Waldrep (Section Leader, Drum Sergeant) Scott McCoy Todd Sommers Chad Kohler No Chris Hall. You wouldn't happen to know if any of them went to the University of Illinois would you? Yes, Dan Desena went to U of I. _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#187919 - 05/14/09 02:53 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
9Volt Registered: 02/12/08 Loc: Yup	Originally Posted By: Hulka Originally Posted By: 9Volt Originally Posted By: Hulka Just curious... who's the "Second Snare from Cavies 1994"? You were the second snare...right? There's no such thing. After section leader there's no official ranking of snare. I was next to center but so was John Wilmarth, who march '91 and '92 so he'd have seniority over me anyway. Is that just a Cavaliers thing? Or is that a snare drum thing in general. I've always been told that you center is usually your best player, then the next "best" player is on the side, then next on the other side, etc.
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#187926 - 05/14/09 04:47 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: 9Volt]
Hulka Registered: 07/09/01 Loc: Frankfort, KY	It's not really a Cavaliers thing, or even a snare drum thing since most people really don't rank each and every player explicitly. Everyone pretty much knows how everyone stacks up to each other but it isn't like concert band or wind ensemble where the sections are ranked by chair position. Yes, ordinarily the best player, is the center and the next best players are next to center. Setting the order of the line is done all different ways as some people like to put all the best in the middle, whereas some lines are set purely on height. Most lines tend to set a strong nucleus in the center few players then surround lesser experienced players with stronger players so the weak guys aren't left out to dry on the ends. It really depends on the make up and dynamics of a given line. Some people are great individual players but can't play well in a line with others, or vice versa. I've always respected the ability of those guys and gals that are great line players over those that can play an awesome solo but can't play with the dude inside of him or her. I think it takes more skill be so in tune with the player inside that you can self-clean you and those around you by picking up on the most minute of ticks. Edited by Hulka (05/14/09 04:48 PM) _________________________ Scott McCoy Guardsmen Cadets '86, '87 - Snare, Quadz The Cavaliers '93-'96 - Snare Cavaliers Anniversary Corps '08 - Snare Music City Legend '06-'10 - Snare, Staff Star United '10, '11 - Percussion
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#187941 - 05/14/09 08:43 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
admiralriker Registered: 12/05/08 Loc: U.S.A.	Where I have played (which isnt saying much compared to Hulka experience!), we have had the strongest on the outside. This is of course with 5 snares, but we kept the strong on the outside. This allowed the inside players to be "surrounded" with players who were better at keeping tempo, and also making sure that the inside players would be sort of drowned out if they would make mistakes. Anyone listening would generally hear the outside players more than the inside players, making the line sound better upclose. Of course on a field setting, it made no difference.
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#188099 - 05/18/09 04:27 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: BadDrummer]
XanXun User has negative Karma. Registered: 05/17/09 Loc: Georgia Post's Karma Value: -24	They rapidly hit 3 notes on the drum making it sound like a roll the center snare for my high school can do it
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#188601 - 05/28/09 10:23 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: XanXun]
NightMusic Registered: 06/12/08 Loc: St. Augustine, Florida	Originally Posted By: XanXun They rapidly hit 3 notes on the drum making it sound like a roll the center snare for my high school can do it Your choice of pronoun confuses me. Do you mean like a Moeler sort of thing? _________________________ '09-'10 Middleburg HS Front Ensemble Instructor '10-'11 Pedro Menendez HS Percussion Instructor
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#192713 - 08/05/09 10:18 PM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: BadDrummer]
snare0623 User has negative Karma. Registered: 07/01/08 Loc: hamilton, ohio	when i first saw it, it looked really hard to do but it was really easy after you do it a couple times. But i still haven't figured out to do it with the left and right hand. The right hand was the easy one but the left i just can't get it right. _________________________ HFS CENTER SNARE 07-08 HHS 2nd SNARE O8-09 HHS 2nd SNARE 09-10
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#192719 - 08/06/09 02:00 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Hulka]
Insomniac Registered: 09/24/03 Loc: Ann Arbor, Michigan	Originally Posted By: Hulka Yes, Dan Desena went to U of I. Taught me for a few years while in was in high school.Smart guy. cool guy. Last I saw him (fall 2008), he was a grad assistant at U of M, pursuing a doctorate or two. Edited by Insomniac (08/06/09 02:08 AM) _________________________ Kanye West: the world's best troll.
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#192727 - 08/06/09 10:54 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: admiralriker]
akeith5913 Registered: 07/10/07 Loc: Northbrook, IL Post's Karma Value: 3	Originally Posted By: admiralriker This is of course with 5 snares, but we kept the strong on the outside. This allowed the inside players to be "surrounded" with players who were better at keeping tempo, and also making sure that the inside players would be sort of drowned out if they would make mistakes. Anyone listening would generally hear the outside players more than the inside players, making the line sound better upclose. Okay...just so I'm clear...center awareness is now outer awareness? I guess everybody has their reasons for what they do. Unfortunately, you can't really "drown out" a drummer by hiding him/her in the middle of the line. If a player can't play clean then it doesn't matter where you place him in the line. I have known groups who have placed a weaker player inside of a stronger one but to put all your less gifted people in the middle of the line is ludicrous. _________________________ Univ. of Ky - Tenors, '89-'91 Cavaliers - Tenors, '91-'92 Chicago Bears Drumline - Tenors, '05-'09
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#192753 - 08/06/09 04:41 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: akeith5913]
DblSnare User has negative Karma. Registered: 10/23/08 Loc: north carolina	i think it makes since to have your weaker players surronded by good players.
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#192765 - 08/06/09 05:39 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: DblSnare]
SkyDog Registered: 12/29/05	...so your good players have to listen through dirt to lock into one another? I'd rather have a solid core.
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#192773 - 08/06/09 08:22 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: SkyDog]
Insomniac Registered: 09/24/03 Loc: Ann Arbor, Michigan	just throwing this out there, the lines I marched in @ madison, the strongest 4/5 were in the center. the next two were the ends, and the weakest were one or 2 in, depending on the year...It was more to get the younger/ weaker players surrounded by guys who would push them, as members. Keep them motivated in rehearsal, ad keep them driving mentally and physically. it had nothing to do with dirt. Also by putting strong guys on the end, it would help with drill sooner as well. _________________________ Kanye West: the world's best troll.
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#192774 - 08/06/09 09:23 PM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: Insomniac]
SkyDog Registered: 12/29/05	That sounds reasonable. I just have a problem with the idea of a cluster of weak players in the middle of the line, especially when we're talking about weak players by high school standards.
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#192804 - 08/07/09 11:06 AM Re: Cavaliers '95 question (maybe hulka can answer [Re: SkyDog]
akeith5913 Registered: 07/10/07 Loc: Northbrook, IL	Originally Posted By: SkyDog That sounds reasonable. I just have a problem with the idea of a cluster of weak players in the middle of the line, especially when we're talking about weak players by high school standards. You beat me to the punch. It's a different thought process when you're talking about a top DCI line than a high school line. Your weakest player in a good DCI section is not generally someone I would classify as "weak." In most cases they are still good players so it's not like your putting a horrible player inside to try and hide them. _________________________ Univ. of Ky - Tenors, '89-'91 Cavaliers - Tenors, '91-'92 Chicago Bears Drumline - Tenors, '05-'09
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#207405 - 10/08/11 12:31 AM Re: Cavies '95 - THE CLAW/HULKA HELICOPTER THREAD [Re: BadDrummer]
DrumlineCapt User has negative Karma. Registered: 07/31/08 Loc: IL United States Post's Karma Value: -3	I did It!!!
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