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#38649 - 04/16/04 07:37 AM
Re: 4 mallet techinque
   
[Re: Big_John]
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Registered: 03/17/03
Loc: Burbank, CA
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Big_John said: Nearly all Japanese and some European marimba masters employ Traditional aka Musser grip
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Traditional grip was another name for Cross Grip. Not Musser.
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#38652 - 04/18/04 01:34 PM
Re: 4 mallet techinque
[Re: Big_John]
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Registered: 08/12/03
Loc: Kentucky
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I suggest that people should : Find a private instructor. It's good that you're reading about these grips, but the books alone can't help. You could be forming bad habits that you're not aware of and will take some time to unlearn and reteach. Second, from my knowlegde... The Stout Grip was developed because Stout's hands were alil too small for traditonal grip (Musser), so he and his instructor came up with some strange hybrid. When he got older he never changed his grip (since his hands were now fully develop in size) thus the "Stout" grip was found. Traditional Grip = Musser ....http://www.nancyzeltsman.com/about.htm Their are 2 primary grips used today and learning the other's is like learning hybrid rudiments. It doesn't hurt to learn them, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter how many grips you know...what matters is can you play. Grips don't make the player, their talent, dedidcation, determentation, Motivation, and Education does. Also remember the instruments that the modifiers play. For example Steven's wanted something with more of a extended reach..hense Stevens Grip. That's why the grips have that natural feel when you play on those instruments. There's no general rule that you have to use Steven's on marimba and Burton on Vibes, but to be a total percussionist you should learn both then chose which is nesseary to get the job done...like finding the right mallet. This is an age-less battle like Traditional vs. Matchgrip..IMO. Take care.
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#38653 - 04/18/04 01:48 PM
Re: 4 mallet techinque
[Re: Darkquad]
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Registered: 03/12/04
Loc: Chicago, IL
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#38656 - 04/19/04 11:59 AM
Re: 4 mallet techinque
[Re: Beat_Master_V]
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Registered: 08/12/03
Loc: Kentucky
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I've always been under the impression that traditional is Musser since it was traditional the first established 4-mallet grip BUT Beat_Master_V IS CORRECT  . The terms are usually thrown around. Check out the real article I was looking for yesterday. http://www.nancyzeltsman.com/pdfs/4malletgrip.pdf So, I think this should help clear everything up...thanks Beat_Master_V
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#38657 - 04/23/04 09:52 PM
Re: 4 mallet techinque
[Re: Darkquad]
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Registered: 05/26/03
Loc: White Hall, AR
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I'm playing in a quartet tomorrow at an annual banquet. We're playing "Metric Lips" which totally AWESOME! hehe anywho, it requires two marimbas (one playing 2 mallets, the other playing 3), one xylo (playing 3 mallets) and I'm on vibes (playing 4 mallets.) Getting to the point of this thread, i found it most effective for ME to use the burton grip. Mainly because of the vibes and volume needed. And yes, i have noticed many more people moving to Stevens. From what i've learned, traditional and burton are easiest to start out with, while Stevens is more preferred once it is mastered (it is harder, though, to gain speed and volume) Pretty much, just try to master all the grips, then pick one that fits you, the instrument, and the piece, and modify the grip if needed (without sacrificing technique). 
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