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#205489 - 03/08/11 10:23 AM Sight reading cadences
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Hypothetical question:

If you were in the stands at a football game... and your drum instructor were to have a dry erase board... And they were to write simple little 4 bar ditties to play between football plays. Would the line be able to keep up?

I'm thinking this would work sight reading skills, not to mention keep things fresh.

Thoughts?

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#205490 - 03/08/11 12:05 PM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: SnareTan]
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I'd think my ensembles could keep up well enough. But,are you willing to deal with the dirt that would come from the whole line sight reading at the game? If so, I say go for it. We've made stuff up on the fly before. It makes things fun.
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#205491 - 03/08/11 12:23 PM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: SnareTan]
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Great idea! But wrong application. Reason 1, you'd have to have an exceptional line, not just to read, but to have the ability to play something off the cuff together and correctly. Reason 2, you will be limited to just a few for the game and your instructor will have to have a vast imagination to write a battery score in that short amount of time. Reason 3, what about the songs the band plays, you will be distracting to what the BD is trying to do in the stands. You would have to use a limited number of drummers to keep from sounding like a bunch of rocks on a tin roof and the fact that they will have to have the skill to be able to play that short ditty together.

Now in a practice atmosphere this is a most excellent idea. This will teach them reading skills, the ability of teamwork, keeping them on their toes and keeping practice fresh. Especially since practices can be so boring and stale. Possibly after a while of doing this in practice and getting them used to this it might work in a game.

What my lines do now and we did in my high school line, is pre-write small ditties for them to learn and assign numbers to the ditties, making each with a different attitude and mood to fit the field situation. Research in history different war marches- Alexander the Great and Napolean were infamous for using war marches for intimidation. The drum instructor or drum major can hold up a number during the plays or just after for the line to play, kinda like football plays.

In short, great idea, it might work for you. But unless you've got a seasoned line, it probably won't. If it can work, it would be a great thing. It if does not work, it will fail epicly.

That's my opinion. Most on here don't think my opinion is worth two cents anyway. Good luck! Your line might be able to pull it off and I wish you luck!

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#205492 - 03/08/11 12:46 PM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: Sir Flamalot]
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I have taught lines little ditties by rote, especially stuff that imitates traditional latin grooves or current popular music. Mixing those between cadences and groovy exercises have allowed us to keep busy during time outs and game delays if the BD or drum major don't have the band playing. The fans seem to enjoy it.

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#205494 - 03/08/11 04:59 PM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: dgaking]
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I think it could be useful as a teaching tool in a rehearsal setting, but not in a performance setting. You don't see or hear good ensembles completely fall apart during a performance, but there's always the chance to do just that when you're trying something for the first time.

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#205508 - 03/10/11 07:48 AM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: Sir Flamalot]
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Originally Posted By: sirflamalot
Great idea! But wrong application. Reason 1, you'd have to have an exceptional line, not just to read, but to have the ability to play something off the cuff together and correctly. Reason 2, you will be limited to just a few for the game and your instructor will have to have a vast imagination to write a battery score in that short amount of time. Reason 3, what about the songs the band plays, you will be distracting to what the BD is trying to do in the stands. You would have to use a limited number of drummers to keep from sounding like a bunch of rocks on a tin roof and the fact that they will have to have the skill to be able to play that short ditty together.

Now in a practice atmosphere this is a most excellent idea. This will teach them reading skills, the ability of teamwork, keeping them on their toes and keeping practice fresh. Especially since practices can be so boring and stale. Possibly after a while of doing this in practice and getting them used to this it might work in a game.

What my lines do now and we did in my high school line, is pre-write small ditties for them to learn and assign numbers to the ditties, making each with a different attitude and mood to fit the field situation. Research in history different war marches- Alexander the Great and Napolean were infamous for using war marches for intimidation. The drum instructor or drum major can hold up a number during the plays or just after for the line to play, kinda like football plays.

In short, great idea, it might work for you. But unless you've got a seasoned line, it probably won't. If it can work, it would be a great thing. It if does not work, it will fail epicly.

That's my opinion. Most on here don't think my opinion is worth two cents anyway. Good luck! Your line might be able to pull it off and I wish you luck!


Thanks for the input guys. Love the idea to look into war marches. Let me further explain where the idea came from:

At my last school we had a cheer that was did. Two Eighth notes followed by 4 sixteenths. Repeat that 3 times, add a release note and everyone yells "GO" at the end. REALLY SIMPLE.

So the line in the other stands hears us playing it a couple of times and they start playing it back. From the side line I held up my pointer and pinky fingers on my right hand and four on the left hand and crossed my arms and thus my hands to indicate 4 sixteenths followed by 2 eighths. My line did it with no problems.

We did that cheer a few times between a few plays and the other line copied that. So then I held up my hands again and put the sixteenth note hand BETWEEN my two fingers changing it once again to Eighth, 4 sixteenths Eighth. Once again, no problems on my line and the other line soon copied. Made for an interesting night.

So really simple stuff there as everyone was playing the same part. I was thinking a little more complex than that, writing for each section, but the same simple basic rhythms.

Maybe I can ask the kids to write some similar cheers during the week and I'll put them on the board during the game....

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#205509 - 03/10/11 11:40 AM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: SnareTan]
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Sounds cool! I'm just a pessimistic optimist,lol.

But my line does a similar thing with a call and report deal, but we would play a real simple lick a couple of times to hook them into repeating what we played and then hit them with a complicated lick and when they couldn't repeat it back or tried and failed the band played the " waa waa waa" tune when you get something wrong, pretty funny...

You got a good plan, I say give it a try! But as I mentioned in my response, give it a try in rehearsal, and maybe give some one a chance to stump the line type game. I do this and my lines love it, like giving a dog a bone for being good, a reward for a good rehearsal. You will find that they will work all week on a ditty just to stump their buddy's. Their reading skill and writing skills will improve greatly!

Give it a try and watch, good luck!!!

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#205870 - 04/14/11 05:52 PM Re: Sight reading cadences [Re: Sir Flamalot]
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I would honestly be scared to try that!

My reasoning is I wouldnt want to put my line in that sort of situation. Football games are intended to be a fun experience and I think throwing something like that infront of them could turn out to be intimidating. If its something really cheesy they could also get bored.

I wouldnt want to write something complicated then have them try to wing it!
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