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#205350 - 02/24/11 08:33 AM out with the old and in with the new?
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well let me start by saying Hi, Im the new guy. second i want to start the problem that i have encountered. I am the new drum instructor at a high school in southwest Virginia( the middle of no-where) the band had just received a new BD at the beginning of the school year, and a new instructor was needed for percussion. well being the nice guy that i am, i decided to give my service (14 years of percussion and a two year degree in music education) to the band. well needless to say the instructor that i replaced is the guy that i was trained in jazz by in college, who is a great friend of mine. well the problem is that a few (one snare of 3) dose not think that i am as good as the guy that was there before. and there for is blaming me for the problems at the beginning of the year in drum camp. but i was not the instructor until two weeks into the marching season. i know i sounds like Im ranting but i dont know what to do to make this situation a better one. the drumline is two days from their first ever Indoor comp. and i want to hold unity for this. so my question is what do i do?

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#205351 - 02/24/11 08:42 AM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: Holywood87]
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You cannot do much. You'll have to just prove the kids you're just as good as the last instructor.


Edited by warboy (02/24/11 08:42 AM)

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#205354 - 02/24/11 09:10 AM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: ]
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well i have explained myself in that nature, but he (said snare) is bucking everything that i do. the BD has put me in charge of indoor percussion and expecting me to push them forward to be the best they can be, but he (said snare) says that i am pushing them to hard. he dose not want to continue practice at the same time and has convinced some other members of the battery that they should only do one comp. instead of two. which is what they have agreed to do at the beginning of the indoor season. the bad thing is this snare is wanting to be the section leader next year. and the section leader is a very important part of the line to me cause i can count on them to lead and motivate when i cant. the biggest change that i have done this year in the percussion section, is switch the snares from matched grip(only good for a drumset) to tradional. i know Im nowhere near as good as the last instructor (for the simple reason that he is older and much more experienced than me)... so any more suggestions?

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#205356 - 02/24/11 11:23 AM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: Holywood87]
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Well, you could cut the kid. Any group that I worked with in the past, if I had the proverbial bad apple, I either got them to adjust their attitude or showed them the door. There's not enough time in the season to deal with that.

Please tell me how matched grip is only good for drumset? Tell me that Dartmouth HS is no good because they play matched grip.
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#205357 - 02/24/11 12:12 PM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: drumcorpbc]
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i have never seen them but that is just my opinion. from my very littleexperience, playing traditional on snare is eaiser for me, i play both ways on the drumset anyway, i just get more snap from the left hand with matched on a set. and i wasnt meaning anything by my comment. sorry.

and thanks for the suggestions. i have decided that if this guy wants to be part of the line he needs to be more of a team player and get over his cocky little self.

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#205358 - 02/24/11 01:59 PM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: Holywood87]
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You gain control by giving control. It's like a bank account. You make deposits by giving students choices in the areas you are willing to compromise. You withdraw from the account when you tell them to do something and they don't get a choice. For example, you ask if they would rather work on diddles or accents next. Later, when you are telling them you want them to play their accents a specific way, they accept your request because they feel respected. Once I started treating my kids this way--especially section leaders and seniors--I saw a huge difference in the way they responded to my requests and their overall rehearsal attitude.

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"Do you want to practice that again with or without the metronome?"
"Do you want to do that just marching again or add the music back in?"
"Do you want to repeat it at that tempo or move up to the next tempo?"

These are usually decisions that I can live with either way, as long as the end result is the kids playing the part better. Not only do they feel like they have more control. They often know better than me what is going to help them perform a part better. 9 times out of 10, they know exactly what they want immediately after I ask the question, and they are thrilled that we are rehearsing it in the way that helps them the most.

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#205359 - 02/24/11 03:35 PM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: dgaking]
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Originally Posted By: dgaking
You gain control by giving control. It's like a bank account. You make deposits by giving students choices in the areas you are willing to compromise. You withdraw from the account when you tell them to do something and they don't get a choice. For example, you ask if they would rather work on diddles or accents next. Later, when you are telling them you want them to play their accents a specific way, they accept your request because they feel respected. Once I started treating my kids this way--especially section leaders and seniors--I saw a huge difference in the way they responded to my requests and their overall rehearsal attitude.

Examples:

"Do you want to practice that again with or without the metronome?"
"Do you want to do that just marching again or add the music back in?"
"Do you want to repeat it at that tempo or move up to the next tempo?"

These are usually decisions that I can live with either way, as long as the end result is the kids playing the part better. Not only do they feel like they have more control. They often know better than me what is going to help them perform a part better. 9 times out of 10, they know exactly what they want immediately after I ask the question, and they are thrilled that we are rehearsing it in the way that helps them the most.


I really like that approach! I always felt like there might be a few people that weren't 100% on track when it was time to move on. This should help a ton with that.

Tan

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#205364 - 02/25/11 01:14 AM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: Holywood87]
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Originally Posted By: Holywood87
i have never seen them but that is just my opinion.


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From a pedagogical standpoint, matched grip is BY FAR more versatile than traditional grip. Students can learn and master one grip and apply it to marching drums, drum set, concert drums, mallet percussion, and a bunch of other things. Traditional grip, on the other hand, is generally limited to marching snare drum and drum set.

Another argument in favor of matched grip is that if we're striving for identical sound from each hand (and we should be), what sense does it make to use different grips and strokes?

...but while I happen to understand and appreciate the arguments for matched grip, I happen to use traditional grip for my school's snare line. I'm slightly partial to it myself and the students dig it.

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#205366 - 02/25/11 02:36 AM Re: out with the old and in with the new? [Re: Holywood87]
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Sounds like you have tried to work with the trouble maker and he isn`t responding very positive and may see your lack of experience. This will interfer with the whole section and cause delays in completing the show and performance quality. Now we need the solution which is given in the previous posts but are dependant on needing the numbers in the ensemble.
One way is to talk to this person and lay down the law. Also inform the BD that you are having problems with him and need his advice also. You can`t have the student telling the teacher how to instruct and need the authority to do what needs to be done. So the answer is to give him the option of following instructions and playing in the line or not! The problem is you are now down to two snares but everything may be solved without the problem child.



Edited by SCV75 (02/25/11 02:36 AM)

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