Just keep in mind, it all boils down to this....




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I think that maybe you do understand and maybe you don't, the underlying thing here is who invented the egg. There are members that disagree with them being called slivz because they had a name, "The Book Report". To say that you invented something is a bit arrogant. This is not a rudiment, it is a combination of some rudiments. Just because you rewrite the word "C A T" Italicized and in small caps and say, "I invented the word cat!" doesn't mean you invented the word "C A T", you just wrote the same word in a different way. There are some that say that this combination has been around for longer than the said time of "invention" and because you have respected members of the DCI world to say that the person was the first to play this does not make it so. I marched in the late '70's and early '80's and I can say that this combination was in a cadence that was written for the line I was in, but that's my word against theirs. Does that make me a liar just because you have legends that say Paul claims to be the first? Because I'm no legend I am not credible now? I even had the snare part to this cadence as my user picture and no one even noticed, but they will just say that it was written after the claim.

What has made this post a contention to ill feeling is that the people who challenged the claim were attacked by the ones that did not like that people didn't clap at the claim of the claim. So now you are having a war of opinion. The lesson here is that "Karma" has its own way of justice.

Frankly, this post should be locked because it does not do anything for us as members except to argue over this point. The only thing that this issue has done is to incite division, there are some that agree and some who disagree. It is fine to disagree, but not to make members quit because they were in disagreement. And for those who were attacked for their disagreeing opinion is not, in my view, what this site is about. Freedom of opinion and the hope of enlightenment is the mission I feel this site was founded on.

I say we all just agree to disagree and let it go, lock this thread, let those who read it form their own opinion and let it be. Those who disagree cannot prove their point any more than those who agree can prove theirs. And those who agree would not even care that it was around before the "claim of invention". We have become a camp divided when we should be as one, as a whole.

Smartest thing I've heard in this entire thread. Seriously guys. It's just notes on a page.

well put....

Anyone remember that movie "Summercamp Nightmare"?

Reading this thread was a ridiculous waste of time and I feel awful just adding to it. Flam-fives all the way. I invented the flam without the grace-note.
Are we serious here???
Back when I was active on this site, it was all education based with fun in the "Off-Topic" forum. It is disappointing to see a spectrum of generations of percussionists attempt to hold online pissing contests to gain notoriaty and therefore respect or "karma" from other users.
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Keep it at that guys, eh?
This is a great thing here.

Hey! Wait a minute, I invented the 3 way backsticking. No really, but I didn`t think how popular it would become. I think everyone has tried it and funny how Scott Johnson takes credit for it. But the real story is I was snare tech for BD`s in 1977 and Rick Odello asked me to help Scott Johnson and Terry Shalberg on their solos for DCI. I gave Scott a section out of my 1975 solo and also showed him the backsticking. Both of these ideas have been used in his lick of the week videos. With Terry I wrote a solo but he had his own ideas and so he used a few ideas from it and didn`t actually play what I wrote. I also included the section from my solo for Terry as well.

The way to clear this up would to have Scott tell everyone who showed him the backsticking but he might even lie today about it since he thought he could do my job as a snare tech and the BD`s had very average snare lines with him before Tom Float took the job in 1982. They were 9th place in drums at DCI in 1981 and that was with Robbie Robinson marching with them. I bet Robbie felt real good about that with SCV winning DCI in 1981 and also his old line the Crossmen beating him in drums. Robinson was DCI snare champ in 1979 and 1980, but placed second in 1981 since I know Scott didn`t really help him because Robbie had beaten Scott at DCI in 1979. Also a factor in the BD`s losing drums was the writing of Terry Shalberg, Robbie even made the comment that "Terry can`t write".

So in conclusion. I`m glad everyone likes the backsticking through the fingers and it is a nice visual to use, but you don`t see me using the captial"I" and "MINE" other than I don`t like the idea of Johnson taking credit for it. That is why this post has created so many opinions.

I also have an 8 stoke roll that is not listed in the Hybrids, it is essentially a tap seven and the release is the last note , then repeated off the left hand so it is an alternated rudiment. Should be written as all 32nds with the attack and release accented. RllrrllR, LrrllrrL. Capitals are accents.

Now after you get that down add the flam to the first stroke of the pattern. Flammed 8 stoke roll!