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#199996 - 03/30/10 02:48 PM
Re: Caught Smoking?
[Re: akeith5913]
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Registered: 11/01/06
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
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Most of the high schools in my area make all students sign a code of conduct prior to their freshman year. Students caught smoking, drinking, doing drugs, etc. can be removed/suspended from all school related activities. Doesn't matter if you're on school grounds or not.
Hmmmm....I wonder how legally defensible that actually is, between the issue of minors signing a "pledge" and schools punishing students for actions taken outside of their purview. A quickly evolving legal issue, regardless -- who knows how that's going to pan out in the long run. The most common stipulation seems to be "don't do anything bad while representing the band (or team, etc.)" which usually is spelled out to be anytime one is in uniform (including band T-shirt), at practice, or any time one could possibly be seen to be a member of the school organization in question. My BD, at least, let sleeping dogs lie -- what you did on your own time was your business; but, if you screwed up while representing the band you faced consequences. (The obvious recommendation was not to wear band paraphernalia when not otherwise necessary.)
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#200013 - 03/30/10 09:58 PM
Re: Caught Smoking?
[Re: DLWebmaestro]
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Registered: 04/05/09
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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My focus is on criminal law, but as far as I know, a minor cannot legally enter into a contract except for signing up for the military when you're 17 with parent/guardian permission. There may be a few other exceptions, but that code of conduct just doesn't seem Kosher to me. True enough, but all code of conducts are signed by students and parents, or at least that's the case in my area. 95% of the time, however, it's not read by either of them, just signed and turned in. Dude, if a girl wants to walk out of your life, up and let them go. Youtube Tyler Perry's Medea's Relationship Advice. Good stuff! It took me a while to redirect myself and find the relevance in this, haha.
Edited by bcaviness (03/30/10 09:59 PM)
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#200019 - 03/30/10 11:18 PM
Re: Caught Smoking?
[Re: bcaviness]
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Registered: 08/20/07
Loc: ♩♬♩♫
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If I may offer some advice,
I would try to find a different outlet than smoking for your troubles, it will save you gobs of money in the long run and add years to your life. I'll give you a few ideas. I'm a terribly out of shape person, but when I'm frustrated angry, etc, I find a good run to be good for the soul. Same goes for music. You'll find that playing your instrument (or any music in general) for a while is a great way to calm/heal yourself. There is a whole career of music therapy based on this. Consider starting a journal. A pen and paper journal, it doesn't have to be all 'dear diary' you can just get your thoughts out, and you'll find it helps you reflect on them and move forward.
On high school relationships, I wouldn't sweat it. Maybe it is a blessing? Too often people let their high school girlfriend pressure them into not pursuing some interest at whatever school, or not going on tour. You'll meet so many interesting people in college, or even on tour.
If something does happen, you get kicked out, whatever. You know...I never focused so much on practicing and never made so much progress as a musician as I did after the first time I auditioned for a school of music and didn't get in. It was really a kick in the butt to get better.
It is really all about what you do with the cards you are dealt. I auditioned for what was my dream school growing up, to study music ed. Twice I was denied admission. The third time around, I also auditioned at a few other schools, found I liked each one of them more than the school I idolized for years and attended for two years as a music minor. I decided against auditioning a third time. I got accepted to all four schools I auditioned at.
Say something does happen, you get kicked out, you can make something of it. Get a lesson out of it, turn it into a positive facet of your development.
Chances are, whatever he says to you may be something you may be thanking him for down the road in a few years.
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#200034 - 03/31/10 11:44 AM
Re: Caught Smoking?
[Re: DRUMS11]
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Registered: 07/10/07
Loc: Northbrook, IL
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Most of the high schools in my area make all students sign a code of conduct prior to their freshman year. Students caught smoking, drinking, doing drugs, etc. can be removed/suspended from all school related activities. Doesn't matter if you're on school grounds or not.
Hmmmm....I wonder how legally defensible that actually is, between the issue of minors signing a "pledge" and schools punishing students for actions taken outside of their purview. A quickly evolving legal issue, regardless -- who knows how that's going to pan out in the long run. It's easily defensible. The school allows you the privilege (key word) of participating in extra-curricular activities. By giving you this opportunity they have every right to dictate how you "should" act outside of school. If a student goes out and smokes pot and the school finds out about it they are well within their rights to say "You know what? You're not the type of kid we want on our football team so you won't be playing here anymore." The contract just solidifies their stance. The issue is with kids who don't participate in outside activities. If a kid just goes to class and goes home then there are no consequences for him/her. These codes of conduct are simply a tool for extra-curriculars. I really don't see any problem with the whole thing. I had to sign a code of conduct for work. If I leave work today, stop for a beer with friends, have one too many and get a DUI I will be suspended from my job. If I get convicted I will be fired. It's that simple.
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#200038 - 03/31/10 01:41 PM
Re: Caught Smoking?
[Re: BismarkUMD]
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Registered: 02/10/09
Loc: Tallahassee, FL
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Let me be clear. There is no argument you can make that will ever justify the ban on cigarettes.
Not that it's the best argument, but the fact that they cause cancer and are a leading preventable cause of death might be a GOOD argument. It is every Americans god given right to smoke.
No it's not. It's every American's *government-given* right to smoke. At the moment. You can argue all you want over the health concerns and what have you. Simply put, you run a greater risk of getting cancer by breathing than you do from smoking.
Could you link some statistics for me on this? I know for a fact 100% of all those with cancer breath. But only a small percentage of those with cancer smoke. so lets not ban smoking, let's ban breathing. So are you saying smoking is not detrimental to one's health?
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