That was pretty arrogant, in my humble opinion at least. Assuming this is actually true, then this little "movement" really isn't about what you want, what you learned, or what you think is cooler. It's about paying respect and giving credit where it is due. Slivz have pretty much become a 'standard' as far as hybrid rudiments are concerned, and if Mr. Stivitts really did invent/discover the hybrid then by all means we, as a community, should respect him enough to call them slivz as it was originally intended.

I'm all for it. They're Slivz to me now.

Just a comment one the actual invention: at what point does throwing together a combination of non-hybrids become something new all together?
Did no one play the diddle-tap-flam-diddle before 1992? Does it even have to be gridable?
My perspective is this:
I'm still calling them book reports, for a number of reasons.
1)people know what they are, there is no regional vernacular for them.
2)they have been that way for what 15 years? I learned them as "book reports" in 1997.

On an unrelated note, is it also not a bit arrogant that a small group of people, however influential, thinks they can change the long standing habits of millions of percussionists around the world?
I don't want to discredit the "inventors" so much as ask, why is now (18 years later ) the time to be correcting the name, rather than 1993-4?

Judging by the fact that you are still in High School and that the list of names I posted obviously means nothing to you, your response means very little. If you ever aspire to take your drumming to the Drum Corps level in the future, these men will be your caption heads, your instructors, your mentors, and the guys who will ultimately give you the opportunity to march in the drum corps activity and expand your talant in ways you currently can not comprehend. If they tell you it is called "SLIVZ", you won't be arguing with them, I guarantee it...

And as Ralph Hardimon is currently Vic firth's most famous marching artist, If he says it's SLIVZ, be ready for the next edition of the book to have some updates...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=47..._comment_tagged

Check out the conversation on facebook.

The conversation appears to be private. I'm sure its an interesting read though.
Paul, I'm sure you've heard the phrase "a rose by any other name..."
It seems to me that people knowing the correct history of the rudiment and calling them "book reports" would be far preferential than calling them "slives" and not knowing the history. I'll be sure to include it in the side note of that unit when I teach, though I think you'll be fighting an uphill battle when it comes to the name.
This to me seems a lot like the argument that calling tenors "quads" is incorrect, regardless of drums. They are what they are, and you can call them whatever you like, especially if you're in charge.
If the time comes that I need to adapt, I will.

I theorize that they were originally intended to be called "Slivz" but somewhere along the line "book reports" gained popularity and the name stuck. I could be wrong, just taking an educated guess.

It's a matter of respect to me. If Mr. Stivitts really was the first one to document exposing the hybrid as it's own entity then I believe he should be the one to name them.

And I personally don't find it arrogant that the small number of people referenced are trying to change all of our habits, because let's be honest, they've been doing it all along. In one way or another, these individuals have influenced things from the sticks and heads to the techniques we use when we play.

"2)they have been that way for what 15 years? I learned them as "book reports" in 1997."

You learned them from someone who learned them from someone who learned them wrong... That has been proven to be a fact.

"I don't want to discredit the "inventors" so much as ask, why is now (18 years later ) the time to be correcting the name, rather than 1993-4?"

Paul aged out of DCI in 1992 and went to UNT that Fall. He moved on to green, lush drumming pastures after that that were not DCI...

"And I personally don't find it arrogant that the small number of people referenced are trying to change all of our habits, because let's be honest, they've been doing it all along. In one way or another, these individuals have influenced things from the sticks and heads to the techniques we use when we play."

An excellent point. Again like I said, the men who have all come to agree that this is the truth are all the men running the activity right now... Mike Macintosh - Cavaliers, Mike Jackson - BlueCoats, Ralph Hardimon - No explanation required, Glen Crosby - Academy... I'm sure there will be many more as these were the guys that Paul marched with, was instructed by and is friends with. And people remember things but often get distracted... Such seems to be the case here...

One example to mimic this... Does anyone call it a flam-stutter anymore? Nope, it's a cheese... I unfortuately don't know who gave it that nickname but it eventually replaced the name I first heard it called... I'd expect this to follow the same course.

Oh and by the way, the person who named them "Book Reports" and spread the name around the activity has chimed in on the facebook thread and apologized to Paul for mis-naming something he acknowledged he learned from Paul. As he was on the snareline at Blue Knights in 1992 as well...

We all know exactly how it happened now that Paul decided to remind everyone of something we all already knew... So there is no conjecture as to how the "book reports" name came about, that has been identified thru this process as well...

Friend me or Paul on Facebook if you'd like to see the thread... It is truly epic...

Well if you study the history of rudiments, ie Mazurs book from 1978, etc and you discovered something that became one of the most influential r=hybrid rudiments of the last 18 years you'd fight for integrity too.

Just because I pursed a career playing drumset, doesnt allow some thoughtless prank with an awful title..."book reports" dude rudimental drumming isnt about doing school homework

you can call it whatever you want, just a history lesson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39eYm9toRes
more to come...

I'm down with calling them slivz. It's not like people are forcing anyone to call any rudiment anything. They're simply stating who the inventor was and paying credit to him by letting people know its "O.G." name.