The staff here at DLO is proud to announce the 2009 "Ultimate DLO Warm-up Book" contest. This will be a writing competition that is open to all members of DLO and it will begin Monday, August 17, 2009. The purpose of this contest is to gather a complete warm-up book that will be posted on DLO for everyone to use and reference. As with everything, there has to be rules and guidelines. So here is a list of things to keep in mind:

• There will be several categories of warm-ups involved in this contest:
  
  8's ---------------------> August 17
  accent/tap --------------> August 31
  double/triple beat ------> Sept. 14
  triplet accent ----------> Sept. 28
  16th accent -------------> Oct. 12
  triplet diddle/rolls-----> Oct. 26
  16th diddle/rolls--------> Nov. 9
  paradiddles -------------> Nov. 23
  flams---- ---------------> Dec. 7
  sixlets (24th notess) ---> Dec. 21
  metric modulation -------> Jan. 4
  60 second warm-up -------> Jan. 18
  
  
• As you can see, there is a date beside each category. That is the first day which you can submit a warm-up for that category. Each category will be given a 2 week window in which you can submit a warm-up. If you submit something for a category after the next time period is started, the submission will be disqualified.
  
  
  
• All Warm-ups must be original material and written by the person who is submitting it.
  
  
• Instrumentation will be as follows: snare, tenor(4, 5, or 6 drums) and bass (4 or 5 drums). NO CYMBALS.
  
  
• These warm-ups are meant to work in two ways: in an ensemble setting and individually. Bass drum parts do not always follow along with the snare and tenor parts in a full ensemble. There is no reason for that to change in this contest.
  
  
• There is no restriction on length or difficulty, but it must be playable.
  
  
• Each warm-up must be accompanied by an mp3. There are many soundfonts and programs to accomplish this floating around, so hopefully this is not a problem for anyone.
  
  
• Warm-ups must be submitted in PDF format. If you do not have a program to create this file type, I suggest either CutePDF or PDF995. Both are free and easy to use. Also, please include the original file (Finale, Sibelius, etc) with your submission.
  
  
• Each warm-up must have a name. The name can not include any part of your DLO username or your real name. Also, do not put your DLO name or real name on the warm-up anywhere (there is a reason). If you want to name the warm-up "double beat" for example, that is fine, but some creativity would be nice. Also, the name does not have to reflect the type of exercise, but again....it would be nice.
  
  
• There will be a panel of judges to determine the finalist warm-ups in each category, and the winners will then be determined by a DLO community vote. We will announce the names of the judging panel later. Judging will take place while other categories are still active. That way everyone will not have to wait until the end to find out the finalists in each category, and the judges will have their time spread out instead of having to do everything all at once.
  
  
• Attached to this post is a sample notation file. This includes actual music examples of a "standard notation" that will be used for this contest. All submissions must use this standard. I understand that some of the symbols will be different than what you are used to, but this will make the process much easier for judging/voting purposes. There is no need to write the words above the markings. The judges will know what the symbols mean based on the sample notation file. If you do not use this standard, your entry will be disqualified. This is the same notation standard that was used in the cadence contest back in 2007.
  
  
• NOTATION IS VERY IMPORTANT. Unless the sticking is natural (RLRL), then it must be notated. This includes bass drum unisons. Dynamics, etc (if applicable) need to be included in your submission. This way your warm-up is interpreted just as you envisioned, and nothing will be left to the imagination of the judges. Please refer to the edit below to clear up any questions regarding the sticking requirements.
  
  
• When you are FINISHED with your warm-up and ready for it to be submitted, you will need to send an email to drumlines.org@gmail.com. The subject header should read "Warmup Entry:(warm-up type) (your warm-up name)". The body of the email should include your real name (first and last), DLO name, and the title of your warm-up. You are not allowed to share the name of your warm-up with anyone, or your entry will be disqualified. The judges will only know the name of the warm-up, and not the composer. This will allow the judging to be impartial. Also, if you are going to submit warm-ups in more than one category, you CAN NOT send them all at once. They must be submitted during the appropriate date for that category

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Ok, here is your judging criteria for the warm-ups:

Goal: How well does the exercise work the area for which it was written? Will it help you reach your goal of becoming the next Jeff Queen or Murray Gusseck?

Playability: Realism of what is written on the page. Can a line realistically play this piece? Are the tenor parts too weird and outrageous that only Tim Jackson can play them? Are the parts split up so much that the players in the line can't even follow it?

CLEANLINESS OF SCORE: Are the parts readable? Do you have noteheads turning up, down and sideways? Is the sticking overlapping into the actual music? Is your PDF 8 pages long because you haven't adjusted the number of measures per system? Bottom line: the music must look as good as it sounds.

SOUND: Would people stand in the lot and anticipate this piece being played? Would someone want to transcribe this piece so their line could play it?
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If you have any questions, feel free to ask them in this forum, but please read everything first. That way you won't look dumb for asking something that is already covered.


EDIT:

I assumed that since there were separate categories for each type of exercise, no one would combine categories (8's and accent/tap), but I should have known better than assume. So, here it is in writing: you can not combine different types of exercises into one category. While some programs use this concept, (which is perfectly fine), that is not the intent of this contest. We want to be able to point someone to a specific exercise to help them with a problem they are having. Making specific exercises allows us to do that with no confusion.

Also, there has been some question about stickings. I will cut/paste what I wrote later in this topic so everyone can read it here....

Ok, here is the final say on the sticking issue. I did not intend for there to be a debate on NATURAL vs. ALTERNATE. As mentioned, I had never heard the term alternate sticking until this thread, so there is no way I could have used that in my thought process. Anyway, here is the point: If the sticking is not moving back and forth (RLRL) between the hands (technicially alternating) it needs to be defined. If you have a measure that is all on the same hand, then you only need to put an R or L at the beginning of the measure. However, if you are using syncopated rhythms that switch between the right and left hands in any way, it must be notated. This contest's final product is intended to be reader/user friendly and not composer friendly. The user will have ZERO guess work when it comes to sticking. There will be no need for them to figure out anything because it will be written out for them. I am sorry if this makes it a little more difficult on the composer, but adding in a few more stickings than you are accustomed to will not be that big of a deal.

Three questions

First, do the symbols over the top of the special noteheads (skanks and rimshots would I think be the only example) have to be there? So would I have to put a marcato over a rimshot? At that point, how would we show a marcato or even weirder, an actual marcato rimshot? The skank symbol makes a little more sense to me, but just checking.

Second, what is the symbol for tenor crossovers? Didn't see it in the example unless it's the neighbors drum thing.

Third, Do you actually mean natural sticking meaning natural sticking, or natural sticking meaning alternate sticking?
Here's the first result I came to showing what I mean


EDIT: One more question. When you say playable, do you mean DCI playable, college band playable, high school playable, etc.
Double Edit: I assume that by any difficulty is accepted that that means the highest level possible.

Triple Edit, A new record!: A .wav recording isn't accepted? I ask because that's what Sibelius spits out naturally.

Holy crap, the transcription of that video clip is confusing. I have never heard the phrase alternate sticking until just then when I read your link. I will put it this way....if you are writing 16th notes and your hands are doing something other than playing RLRL, then you better notate it. If you are writing a syncopated rhythm that moves from the Right to Left hand, you better notate it. As I said above, do not leave anything to the imagination of the judges, because the last thing you would want is the intent of your piece to be altered because of a sticking error.

It also says above that there is not limit to length or difficulty, so it doesnt matter what "playable" level you write the warm up.

Tenor crossovers are notated in the first measure of the sample. It even says the word crossover under the part.

To vaguely reference Thom Hannum....the sample notation "is what it is." (hopefully someone gets that). Yes, the rimshot has to have a ^ (marcato) above it to fit the requirements. If that is not there, it could be confused with a rim click even though the click is on a different line. A marcato would be notated like you would normally do it...with the ^. It is the combination of that symbol and the X that make the note a rimshot, not one or the other.

Yes, the skanks have to have the ^ with the . in the middle of it. Same reasoning as above.

I would just write the word marcato above the rimshot if that is what I wanted.

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EDIT

while a triple edit might be a new record, it is a royal pain in the butt to try and answer all of your questions when you keep changing them or adding more

NO, a .wav file is not acceptable. The file size is way too big. We required an mp3 file in our cadence contest at the end of 2007 and no one said a word about it being a problem. Finale has a thing called "save special" that allows you to save the file as a compressed mp3. I am sure that sibelius has something similiar. If you do not know how to do it, I am sure that someone on this site can help you.

2 questions:

1) Why are paradiddles up there twice?

2) Is it alright if the mp3 doesn't use something fancy like VDL and is just the stock Sibelius or Finale audio?

Wow, the paradiddle thing is a mistake. I am not even going to mention how many people looked over the announcement and did not catch that problem. It should read sixlets (24th notes) instead of paradiddles. Thanks.

The stock audio from Sibelius and Finale works just fine. This is a writing contest and not an audio contest. The audio file is basically there so no one has to "play" the piece in their head.

I will answer that question this way...how many DCI writers are coming on our forums looking for a warmup book for their corps line?

Would it be a acceptable to record an exercise at progressively faster tempos in its attached mp3? Just to give people an idea as to how most of them would normally be played and heard in the lot, with exception of a 60-second and something the same length as some SCV exercises.

Well, I'm pretty sure your saying it should be achievable by a high school group. This is different than what the actual thread starter said. Make up your minds.

Sorry bout the crossover question, I must have looked for it over top of the notation like everything else.

Somehow, I doubt the edit was a major problem for you seeing how all the edits were done before you responded anyways.

If we choose to enter the contest are we required to submit a warmup for every category?

When you get the .wav format out, you can change the suffix of the file to anything you want; mp3, m4a, etc. It doesn't have to stay the original format.

Eh, it doesn't exactly work like that. What I do is use Audacity (a free program) and an mp3 encoder (they have one linked on the Audacity site). Just open the .wav up in audacity and select "export as .mp3". It'll cut the filesize down a ton, I went from 11.3mb to less than 1mb with a 1 minute VDL recording.

You can write to whatever level you want, however, if you write some baked out exercise that only a corps line would even attempt to play in an effort to flex your writing chops, you're less likely to receive as many votes for it. I believe the intention of the contest is to create an exercise book that most anyone could play. Not too simple, not too baked.

That's more trouble than it's worth. My way works fine, does the job and takes a fraction of the time with no software.

It doesn't work for me...

...except you're not creating MP3 files. You're just making mis-labeled WAV files.

May I suggest a syncapation warm-up? If so, I suggest one.

Just FYI, but Finale 2009 only has the option to save as .wav, but if you have Windows XP youy can use the ausio file converter that comes with it to make it an mp3. There are also many options to make it an mp3/ I belive Audacity does, but I do not have any experience with it, so I'm not completly sure on that.

I need a "fail" graemlin. Please review the "Do not Claim Iraq has WMD" section of the rules.

Fail graemlin = epic [not] fail

Ok, so maybe it's different for whatever software you're running on. I've tried this with different files and it always converts it. They're not mislabeled, they're converted.

Windows

This is a damn good idea

OR...
you have you have the setting "show file extensions" turned off so all you see is the name which includes .fileextensiontype. The only way this works is if the program that you're using can actually save a file like that.

The mp3 thing isn't a big deal, just curious because people tend to call all audio formats mp3 because it's the most common to them.

Warboy, the first part of this is strictly for you, then I will answer questions.

The staff knows the difference between an mp3 and a wav. We want an mp3. The file size is smaller. That allows us to not fill up the inbox on the gmail account, and allows me to easily make zip files of all the warmups to send to the judges. Its that simple. Oh, and if its not a big deal, why keep mentioning it?

Also, to be quite honest about it, your are 100% wrong about the edit thing. I read your response and immediately loaded the video and transcription in a new tab. I read the transcription several times to make sure I got the meaning of his run on sentences. Then I loaded the sample notation file to check where the crossover was marked. Finally, I wrote a response to all of your questions. I never reloaded the DLO page to see if you edited anything else. So, by the time I finished all of that, you had edited again. That means I had to go back and edit my response so it would match your questions. So, yeah it was a slight problem. I never said major....that was your word.

Finally, you mentioned that you looked for the crossover on the top of the notation like everything else. That is interesting since muffle, skanks, and neighbor's drum are also written under the notation. If you are going to try and pass the blame off on me, at least make a convincing argument.


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Tenor11, no you do not have to enter something in every category. You may enter as few or many as you desire. Also, there may be only entry per person per category.

BigCouch14, there would be nothing wrong with a progressively faster tempo as long as it all included in one relatively small mp3.

BigDrew79, I will have to confer with everyone else about the syncopation warm up. You will get an answer soon.

Obviously, creating an mp3 file was easier in sibelius and finale back in 2007 when we did the cadence contest. It is still the best format for this contest, so that requirement will not change. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Maybe its a Mac thing because I believe Tory uses a Mac?

But I still think that all you're doing is adding ".mp3" to the end of the file but the file association, playing and decoding is still being done as if it were a wav file.

Audacity is a great tool for doing all sorts of light audio editing. CDex is a cd-ripper tool that also has the ability to convert WAV files to Mp3s. These are both free tools, so anyone that needs to make that conversion and can't figure out how to do so in whatever program they're using can look into these programs.

It's not a mac issue. On mac you just load a file into iTunes and right click and say "create mp3 version" to be sure you have an mp3 version.

My turn, I guess I have to add that that wasn't meant to offend like you seem to think it was and, how I also think this post is meant. Even though I just spent 12 hours at a race track working for $3 an hour dealing with very drunk people, I'm going to be the bigger man about this and act like it wasn't meant to be crudely offensive. I will instead just point some things out. I guess smileys just don't work like they used to.

The attachment I hopefully added, is a print screen of your example score. I circled every instance of text in two colors, one being text above and the other below, and tallied up the totals. There's a tally of three to 11 I believe with the text above being in the lead. The only text I saw after staring at that score for five minutes was SKANKS. I did not see crossovers or muffles and neighbors drum IS above the staff it's written for. I figured you would keep it consistent. I guess I'm the only one that does that?

If I remember correctly, after looking in the who's online box, I saw no funky colors dignifying a position such as yours let alone your name. I'm sorry if you are invisible and I'm sorry if I truly missed your name.

Never did I say that the staff doesn't know the difference between a .wav and .mp3 file. I said a large amount of people who consider themselfs computer savvy don't. I've seen many times where people ask for mp3s as a general audio file. I've seen those people sometimes accept wav files unless they actually do know what they're talking about. I'm sorry that I decided to check before I got disqualified for the wrong file format.

I myself addressed the file format question twice. It ended up taking about half the thread with people suggesting how to transfer them. At that point I felt partially responsible for it due to the fact that I asked. I addressed it in the post I made explaining my questions. I also never said anything about not knowing the difference between the two audio formats, but instead said that it is the most common format out there right now. MP3 is a lot shorter than typing audio file so I just double checked.

I would love for you to show me all the run ons I have in that post, all I can find are fragments.

Can someone just create a master key for everyone to stick to?
seriosly. there's no need to label every single "accidental" if we know what they are pre-defined as.

Edit: after rereading your post, a master key wouldn't be hard at all. I thought you ment something like Sibelius's manuscript paper creation thing. I'll make a preset for Sibelius and work on a key and then send it in to the thread creator for a check over.

Obviously, this has gotten kind of personal and should probably be in PM's, but since I started it in public, it might as well continue there. Yes, warboy, I took your post as you meaning to be offensive. It seemed that you got defensive with me about the edit thing, and again with drumcorpbc about the playability issue. Hopefully, I will address everything and then we can put this to rest.

Neighbor's drum is exactly where you said. I looked at it wrong. Skank was written there because I felt like it I guess. However, the other 2 were written to specifically avoid conflict with other markings. I did not want crossover near the 2 accents above the notation, so it went below. Also, I did not want muffle and rim click to be close to each other. So, it was written below. That example was written in about 10 minutes 2 years ago to specifically point out which MARKINGS to use. To be honest, I didn't really give much thought to whether or not the word was above or below the line, since that was not the intent.

There is a funky color attached to my name on this site, and my name should not be invisible. So, I guess you just missed it, or it was not there for some reason....maybe because I had multiple DLO windows open. I am not sure.

I answered your mp3 question in my first response, and gave you the reason, but yet you still made the "general" audio comment. I felt you were still making an issue out of it despite having the question answered. Also, you would not have been disqualified, if you had followed the wording of the original post.

Finally, you got me. I probably should have said fragment instead of run on sentence. The point is this: it was very hard to follow, and the sentences were extremely long no matter what they are technically called.

Ok, that its it. Your turn I guess. Oh, and yes I did miss the smiley....completely my fault

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I really don't see the need for a master key. That creates extra work for someone by creating it, and creates something else for the judges to have to reference while judging. Also, it creates something else for me to have to send them. If it is marked on each warm up, then the judges will just have to look at what is on the page in front of them. I am not saying it is bad idea...but for this contest, I don't see the need.

Hello,wanted to know how come in al of these contest I see,you can't use cymbals? Y is that & what about the lines that use cymbals?Traditional lines use cymbals in our warmups.

The reason cymbals aren't included in contests that DLO hosts is that many people on here don't know how to effectively write for cymbals or are intimidated to write for cymbals.

Will this be available to instructors after the contest is over and done with? If so, will there be a specific price involved or will it be available somewhere else?

That makes me feel much better seeing how those were suppose to be written in a list format. However, I do tend to write long sentences with many introductory segments, including this one. I don't generally have a problem following a sentence like that though and if anything, that post was the complete opposite. This is more for my personal grammar improvement and not as a bash of your understanding.

If you find it necessary, you can continue to talk to me in PMs. I just posted back because I don't like my posts being misconstrued, especially by a mod. I figured my wording of "The mp3 thing isn't a big deal" would make it seem like it "wasn't a big deal." It is the Internet though and I fully realize that text is misconstrued quite easily.

If I truly followed the post I probably would have been screwed by the natural sticking rule though.

I still am holding the offer to make a key by myself if you would like as well as making a Sibelius preset. I will be making the preset for myself and will be happy to post it in this thread if enough interest is shown.

I haven't written anything in years and I don't even know what most of those terms you're using above mean. However, I can't wait to see and hear what some of these great minds come up with - good luck to everyone.

OK, I do have a question. When you have the 8's warm up and you're repeating a measure, just isolating a different hand, are we allowed to have the sticking be all one hand and then the other hand right below it for the repeated section?

Just write it out, make it simpler on everyone who has to read it.

I find it easier to read music without tons of words on it cluttering it up. If I see a circled x in a snare part I see rimshot. A rimshot with a housetop is a gock. A beam a line or two up with no head I see stick click. A thin hollow note in a tenor score I see crossover. an "x" in a bass part equals rim.

No matter what the judges will need to be referencing a key. the difference here is that there is one, opposed to 30. By the time you're three or four entries in you know it, and will have to stop looking at whatever key was provided. When switching to the next piece. IF your playing through one entry, then switch to the next, that change in reading habit will not only slow you down and interrupt the flow of a session, but will also require a reprogramming of your memory every time you switch. I think that seems like more of a hassle than pre-defining the 20-25 most commonly used sounds in a drumline score.

Further I think it would move more towards anonymity of the entry. If someone were to write a particularly good/bad warm up and, later on you recognize the notation style, it could influence a decision, if only on a subconscious level.

I would even put it together, however I'm a hand writer, And have no software to write music with.


Create one, attach it to the rules post, and expect anyone who is judging or writing to download it themselves. No need to attach it to every email you send out.

Edit:

IF you do not know the difference between natural and alternating sticking, alternating is where EVERY NOTE switches hands, natural is where the dominate hand takes the figure (= most of the time-beats and &'s by the right, E's and A's be the left- and vice versa, but can be applied to 8th's and 1/4ths depending ont he context of the parts.) . if you were playing (1E& 2E& 3E& 4E&) RLR RLR RLR RLR is natural. RLR LRL RLR LRL is alternating. Yes some times they are the same within a figure. Most of the time, Confusion occurs during syncopations, and large spaces. I was taught to assume natural unless otherwise specified.

Can we please get a re-definition in the rules, as "RLRL" is both natural and alternating .

Insomniac, there is a sample notation file attached to the first post. It covers the samples you mentioned (rimshot, stick click, crossover), and it specifically says that every piece written must be done with that notation. I am not sure what else would need to be done. The rules in place make everything look exactly the same, so there will be no way you can determine a "style" of the writer.

Ok, here is the final say on the sticking issue. I did not intend for there to be a debate on NATURAL vs. ALTERNATE. As mentioned, I had never heard the term alternate sticking until this thread, so there is no way I could have used that in my thought process. Anyway, here is the point: If the sticking is not moving back and forth (RLRL) between the hands (technicially alternating) it needs to be defined. If you have a measure that is all on the same hand, then you only need to put an R or L at the beginning of the measure. However, if you are using syncopated rhythms that switch between the right and left hands in any way, it must be notated. This contest's final product is intended to be reader/user friendly and not composer friendly. The user will have ZERO guess work when it comes to sticking. There will be no need for them to figure out anything because it will be written out for them. I am sorry if this makes it a little more difficult on the composer, but adding in a few more stickings than you are accustomed to will not be that big of a deal.

I believe he's referring to the words you used to show what each symbol meant. I also believe you did not want us to type the word above each notehead so you may want to address that.

I assumed that everyone is/was smart enough to know that you did not have to put the word above/below each symbol. Usually, that is only done when you see a marking for the first time. There is no reason to write the words over the markings in your scores, not even the first time. That is why we have the notation sample.

Thanks for clarifying his post warboy. I guess I missed the intent. Also, does the sticking thing make sense now? I hope that cleared up any questions.

What you added to the first post clears up sticking, but I suggest that you just get rid of your first definition and change it out with the one you just made so that confusion is completely avoided

Everyone check out the first post of this topic for some additions. Thanks. As of last night, we had 3 entries in the 8's category. Hopefully, there will be more coming.

Whoo hoo! I'm workin on mine right now :]


(BTW, I understood everything when i first read the rules and guidelines!)

Ok, as of Thursday morning (deadline is Monday) we have 5 entries in the 8's category. The plan was to have 5 finalist warm ups in each category. If that doesn't happen then the judges will narrow the list down to ones they feel are "finals worthy." I will announce the judging panel later today.

Im trying to figure out how to get the 8's off my PC onto my laptop...

My PC doesn't have internet, and the laptop is one of those super small ones with no CD drive.

Any suggestions?

USB thumbdrive?

YES! this does have a usb port! lol

I need to borrow my friends now..

Ok, so I forgot to announce the judging panel yesterday. It won't kill you. So, here it is:

Derek_ESQ
Insomniac
Skydog
DLWebmaestro
drumcorpbc
Cadet_311


Alright, now you know who not to tick off.

...and whose PayPal accounts they should fill up.

Give me your paypal info and I'll withdraw, I mean deposit funds.

Good luck to all those who entered.

Ok, the 8's contest is officially over. We had a grand total of 5 entries in that category. Hopefully, we will have more entries as we get into some more "exciting" categories.

The judges will have the 8's entries by Wednesday.


The tap/accent contest has officially started. As with the last category, there will be a 2 week window to submit entries.

I have Finale Allegro 2007. I was wondering how you get the notehead to be a circle or triangle for the tenor parts like in the sample score. Is it possible?

I wish I knew the answer to that question, but I have never used Allegro. If you can come up with something close, use it. If you make the effort to submit something, then we will do our best to judge it accordingly. Please mention in your submission email that you do not have the full version of finale or sibelius.

Ok, the deadline for entries to the tap/accent category is Monday. Hopefully, we will have a bunch of last minute entries because right now we do not have many submissions.

Also, the judging is almost complete for the 8's category. The results and finalist entries should be posted by the end of the weekend.

I forgot to finsh my accent tap in time, no excuses, bt just saying, and also, when, or where are the finalists, etc posted?

Well, you and everyone else are in luck. There was only ONE submission for the tap/accent contest. So here is what is going to happen:

Forget the deadlines for each category. You now can submit an exercise in ANY category (including 8's) from now through December the 1st. That gives everyone a little over two months to find the time to do some writing. Everything else for the contest DOES NOT CHANGE. After that date, we will do the judging and polls as planned.

thats good. Having this competition in the bussiest part of the year for most of us wasn't the greatest of all ideas. I'll get you that accent tap soon though..

I tried really hard not to comment on your response, but I just can't help myself. This contest was timed exactly when it needed to be for this board. It is after DCI season has ended and before WGI gets started. During this time period the amount of discussion on this board basically consists of staff announcements for DCI and "what is your show" threads from high school students. It was done to build up discussion and participation in the board and has nothing to do with "the bussiest part of the year."

Also, this contest was started before most of the high school crowd (which I assume was your reference in using "most of us") even went back to school. I fail to see how summer vacation is a busy part of the year. I know this does not apply to everyone, but a generalization was made, so I used one in return.

Next, the cadence contest of 2007 was announced 9/18/07. That is roughly the same time of year as this contest, and we had no problems with participation during that event.

Finally, if someone wants to do something bad enough, they will find the time. Think about things in your life that you rearranged your schedule around. I am not saying this contest is anywhere near the importance of other events that require a schedule adjustment, but the theory is the same: if you want to do it bad enough, you will find the time.

I didn't see this question addressed anywhere on this thread, so I'm gonna ask about the rule that says the warmup "must be original material". I understand that that means the warmup must be written by the person submitting it, but does it also extend to warmups based on songs or musical works? The famous Double Beat by Murray Gusseck is based on an outside source, a remixed song by Steve Reich, I believe, and there's a great double beat by Phantom Regiment based on "Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin. Is this type of thing allowed in this competition?

Thanks for any help!

So long as you are still the one who wrote it yes. You don't think Led Zeppelin would really take credit for Phantom's double beat. It's inspiration not battery percussion music. So yeah it counts.

....uhh, yeah. what he said. Seriously, just to make it "official", Aaronicus is exactly right. It counts.

Great, thanks guys, I'll get started right away...hehehehe (rubs hands together)

i understand the reason for a notation standard but as far as i know it limits the ability of probably a good portion of the fourm to submit due to software issues. i know, myself, can not perticipate because i have finale printmusic 2009 that doesn't allow me to do this mapping. and i as a 17 year old do not have the resources to purchese the full finale. so just something to think about if it is even possible to find a way to involve a greater portion of the members.

Anyone want to retry this idea?

I'd be up to trying it again, but I know that last time we got so few entries that it wasn't worth it.

Perhaps the special mapping that was required before can be changed to something everyone else can do. I think everyone could just mark the effect in the score like the example had. I think maybe doing the warm up book at a point where people are writing exercises for their groups anyways (before the season like now for fall) would maybe help too.

Give me a break. The "special mapping" was the exact same thing we had for the cadence contest in 2007 and very close to the standard from the first cadence contest. We had no problems getting entries for either of those contests. Drumcorpbc was exactly right. We had basically ZERO interest. We literally had 5 entries for the 8's portion, 1 entry for accent/tap and 1 entry for triplet diddle (I looked it up)....and speaking of looking it up...

I just reread this whole thread and warboy is already starting the same stuff about the notation standard being the problem, just like a year and a half ago. WOW. Just WOW. There is one difference in now and then, though....this time I AM OUT. Do whatever the heck you want. Let everybody do whatever notation standard they want, submit wav. files that take up all of DLO's bandwidth, and mark stickings how they want.

Good luck

oh, and it would be a great thing to get this back going again. It was a good idea the first time around and still is now

If we can get enough people showing interest in this thread, I'll consider running it. But, so far only one person has stepped and shown interest.

If you'd look through the thread you'll see I only really had questions about how notation was as I had questions not answered by the PDF. I was perfectly happy to do the notation key listed, but a good portion of people in the thread either couldn't or didn't want to deal with it. I don't have an issue with doing a .mp3. That is all I have to say about any of this and don't feel like bringing up the past again to do so. Please let it go so this has a chance. I am interested.

After reading all of this thread I see no answer to this question, if there is a cost to get this warm-up book will the members whose warm-up were chosen to be in the book, receive any money gained from the sale of the book?

When completed, we planned on creating a book and posting it for all to have access to for free.

That sounds great! And I hope there is better luck this time around.

I have no reason to try and sabotage this contest. I am the one who started it so it would be great if it actually happened this time around.

last thing on the "past" and I will let it go. I did read the thread. Every word for 4 pages. I am aware of what was said and by whom. A grand total of 2 people said they could not participate because of the notation standard. Last time I checked, that does not equal "a good portion." Ok, done.

Drumcorpbc, if you need any help with anything let me know. I am sure you will do a great job.

So far only two people have shown interest in submitting music. If you really want this to happen, spread the word on it.

This should be showing up as a new post for everyone and I would hope that people would be responding.

It appears like no one is really interested. Oh well, it was worth a shot.

I'd be happy to write and submit some pieces, but like a lot of guys, I'm kinda busy with the winter season at the moment. A few weeks from now, a number of us are going to have a whole lot more free time.

Well then, it will probably be best to wait until the end of April for a new thread for this. Just a thought, but what about opening the competition to pit exercises too?

Good Idea! The book sounds like it will work when eveyone has time to add their music so what`s the hurry keep it on hold or extend the time so all that want can add and eveyone will benefit. This is a great opportunity for some to help in writing and would be good for everyone on this site.

Thank you ^^

I'd submit all my warm-ups that I wrote for a line that I ended up not using...But I don't really write anymore and I haven't even seen the interface of Finale or Sibelius in 3 or more years.

That said, being there's a notation standard, it probably wouldn't follow. But if whoever's running the show wanted to put it back into whatever notation program for consistency, then it could work out.

All my stuff that I had written was for a "beginner" level of achievement.

I think they moved the contest over to Snare Science just when I was going to remind everyone that it might be a good time. Indoor season is over but I guess everyone might be getting ready for the summer now!

Actually, I was going to run it here as well.

I was going to post it all up tomorrow.

Are you still going too? Not really much of a point in running it here as well.

this would have been cool as a joint venture between both sites...not sure I have seen something like that done before


Does everyone that wants to be a part of this contest post at snarescience? If not, then some people would not get to participate

I haven't before but it is no issue to sign up for their site.

It might be interesting to have two warm up books to compare so having it on DLO would give the others who aren`t members of Snare Science a chance as well. Then it might be like a competition to see which book is right for your line. I`m sure Snare Science will let everyone see the book after their contest so we will have more information with both sites writing books.

You don`t have to sign up for their site since it is usually free downloads if you just want the Warm Up Book.