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#144874 - 11/30/07 08:52 AM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: cymbalman]
xVelocityx Registered: 11/06/07 Loc: Orange Park FL	Quote: One thing to keep in mind. I am very much against the Iron Cross. I spoke with many doctors about this. Keeping a muscle in any position for more than 30 seconds is dangerous and can tear muscle. The best way to build up endurance is through anaerobic exercise. Thats true. I never enjoyed doing those, and I would think you could injure yourself doing that. _________________________ Velocity(Fleming Island HS)-FFCC and WGI PSO Winter 07- Cymbals.....Fall 07- Tenors.....Winter 08- Tenors
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#144875 - 12/13/07 07:20 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: xVelocityx]
antis0ciol Registered: 01/31/07 Loc: New Hampshire	Huh. Our Iron Crosses are always arms all the way up above your head with plates perpendicular to the floor and everything still, then the Jesus pose with plates perpendicular, then the Jesus pose with plates parallel to the floor facing down, the out in front of you still facing down. And then it repeats and you hold each position for however many counts you want. It gets the blood flwoing and builds up muscle.
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#144876 - 12/16/07 11:56 AM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: antis0ciol]
jacoismyhero Registered: 11/28/05 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	From my friend, the Director of Coaching from the state soccer association: Holding muscles in a particular position does nothing to boost strength. Conditioning through activity and motion, however, does. Along with weight lifting, exercises such as big and small arm circles and lots of stretching will aid with the conditioning of the movement of those particular groups of muscles. Also, strengthening your core, your abdominals, obliques, and all of the muscles in your back will do wonders for the conditioning of the rest of your body. _________________________ Hi. I'm Kyle.
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#144877 - 12/16/07 02:07 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: jacoismyhero]
cym_city Registered: 02/11/03 Loc: Louisville, Ky	Quote: From my friend, the Director of Coaching from the state soccer association: Holding muscles in a particular position does nothing to boost strength. Your friend is either being misunderstood or they are incorrect. Remember ever reading about isometric exercises? Isometric exercise can be extremely beneficial. Yoga strength training is an isometric exercises that uses your body's own weight to get stronger. Anyone who has ever been to physical therapy has more than likely done isometrics of some sorts. In therapy they are beneficial because they don't require you to shorten or lengthen your muscles but instead rely more on the contractions of the muscle. For anyone with a sports injury this allows them to work out and retain muscle mass whenever a full range of motion isn't possible. I could type out plenty more or I could just leave you some sources that will allow you to read it for yourself. Source 1 Source 2 Please note that this is in no way a response back to any other post than the one that was quoted. The iron cross issue has been debate until all involved were blue in the face. Later
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#144878 - 12/16/07 07:24 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: cym_city]
DrumerKruse Registered: 09/12/04 Loc: Colorado	cymbalman i love you book, and he has a lot of stuff in his book to help you with timing and everything else. it is an amazing book, simple break downs that are easy to understand. It has great timing exercises and great technique ideas _________________________ THE MFBKB Kruse
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#144879 - 12/18/07 08:41 AM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: cym_city]
jacoismyhero Registered: 11/28/05 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	Quote: Your friend is either being misunderstood or they are incorrect. Remember ever reading about isometric exercises? Isometric exercise can be extremely beneficial. Yoga strength training is an isometric exercises that uses your body's own weight to get stronger. Anyone who has ever been to physical therapy has more than likely done isometrics of some sorts. In therapy they are beneficial because they don't require you to shorten or lengthen your muscles but instead rely more on the contractions of the muscle. For anyone with a sports injury this allows them to work out and retain muscle mass whenever a full range of motion isn't possible. I could type out plenty more or I could just leave you some sources that will allow you to read it for yourself. Source 1 Source 2 Please note that this is in no way a response back to any other post than the one that was quoted. The iron cross issue has been debate until all involved were blue in the face. Later You're correct in response to my initial post. I guess I should have been less vague with my statement. What he said was less along the lines of "It doesn't work" and more along what Jeff said previously. There aren't many people who would recommend anything more than light isometric exercise in the competitive athletic world, as the benefits of dynamic workouts (i.e. the flexibility and ability to work in a much more all-around regimine, plus the cardiovascular fitness) seem to be greater for that, with the exception of sports injuries and the like. I appreciated the read, though, and learned a great deal more about isometrics. Thanks. As for the iron cross debate: If what we're doing with iron crosses and other forms of static exercise is simply isometric exercise, through the hanging resistance of the simble, then why is it so controversial? Edited by jacoismyhero (12/18/07 08:43 AM) _________________________ Hi. I'm Kyle.
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#144880 - 12/20/07 02:34 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: jacoismyhero]
Insomniac Registered: 09/24/03 Loc: Ann Arbor, Michigan	becuase isomtrics only use the weight of your own body. or that of resistance, gravity isnt part of the definition. you also only hold an isometirc for 30 seconds or less, then do many reps of that. There are som many people that dont understand the skeltal muscle system that they wind up not helping themselves, and risking injury when they do it. there are those people who hang the weight on the rotator cuff and tear those muscles. IF you are to do it, then you need to hold them at least 10 degrees infront of your body. but youd beusing different muscles than those used to play to hold them up. The best way to improve muscular stamina is by using them to do the task at hand. with cymbals, play more, but dont keep them static for more than a few seconds. another way to increase stamina is to be able to shift the weight to another part of your body to give another a rest. if your arms are tired, carry your cymbals with your trapezoid, if thats tired, used your abdomen. Im not saying hold them with those muscles, but carry the weight there. Edited by Insomniac (12/20/07 02:42 PM)
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#144881 - 12/20/07 07:13 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: Insomniac]
Cowly blank Registered: 11/09/07 Loc: North Carolina	I'm currently rewriting our plate line's part in our warm-ups, and I'm not quite sure what to do for 8 on a hand. (or 8-8-16 as our line does) Any suggestions? _________________________ bass drumming = <3
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#144882 - 12/20/07 10:35 PM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: Cowly]
jacoismyhero Registered: 11/28/05 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	Off-topic. I can't believe I spelled "cymbal" as "simble." Please flog me. _________________________ Hi. I'm Kyle.
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#144883 - 12/21/07 08:01 AM Re: Cymbal Warmups [Re: jacoismyhero]
Font Registered: 12/27/04 Loc: Miami, Fl	I've got the molly whips in hand. All you need to do is drive down to Miami to receive said flogging.
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